I concur, great idea.
Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Bad news so . I saw Vincent's video before and read Stacey's opinion, but I'm an optimistc. Stacey's test is from september 2019 over TVs and players of this time.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:19 pmWatch the youtube video I posted. LLDV is confirmed to be worse quality than TV-LED DV. And all the players have the same DV SDK engine, therefore they are all affected by that.yossSP wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:20 amOk thanks, well as far as I know, LLDV if it's well made doesn't have to be worst than TV-LED.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:27 pmHe has the HDfury Vertex which can tell if it's lldv or tv-led DV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_a77zJTrO4
The quality I observe in FEL files playback is really good, but I don't have any reference to compare with.
Stacey Spears goes even further and says that LLDV is worse than HDR10.
I've compared the native video player of my Panasonic HX1000 with the HDR10+ version of 1917 film versus the Chromecast Dolby Vision version, and both them seem identical, no differences in high lights or shadows, and no washed colours at all.
I'll try to make some tests based on some of the references I have met here.
One more question. Could it be possible that in february firmware (or future update) Google updated the new Chromecast to permit TV-LED playback?
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Manix will be able to verify that.
the colors as well.
Sorry for my English.
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DoVi_Scripts / DoVi Playback Devices / Movies HDR-DV Plot / Screenshot Comparisons
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Thanks. That would be great.
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It’s here & it’s a solid build heavy too
Size compared to a mac m1 mini Fingers crossed on Fel lol
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Can anyone help me with a Ugoos AM6 plus. When I play a FEL mkv through Kodi DV version or MP4 through internal player it is very choppy. I’ve seen reports here of people playing them fine. MELs work fine so I’m wondering what I’m doing wrong. Thanks
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Nice to see you ManixxManixx2020beyound wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:27 pmD0F9086A-5B9B-4773-9F0F-A17459BA04ED.jpegIt’s here & it’s a solid build heavy too
Size compared to a mac m1 mini
Fingers crossed on Fel lol
One more data about Dolby Vision processing of Chromecast with GoogleTV, Vincents says that during a TV-LED playback Dolby Vision IQ can't use the light sensor of the TV, so I tested it again and with my Panasonic HX1000 the sensor is regulating brightness on the image.
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@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11372
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11374
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11375
Dune FEL vs Dune P8 vs X700 FEL vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://slow.pics/c/nCcd2BlK
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11372
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11374
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11375
Dune FEL vs Dune P8 vs X700 FEL vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://slow.pics/c/nCcd2BlK
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
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Sorry for my English.
DoVi_Scripts / DoVi Playback Devices / Movies HDR-DV Plot / Screenshot Comparisons
DoVi_Scripts / DoVi Playback Devices / Movies HDR-DV Plot / Screenshot Comparisons
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11372
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11374
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11375
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
Wow! thanks a lot for this battery of samples @RESET_9999
And thanks also to @Manixx2020beyound for this comparison work.
I'll try later with this .mkv and tell how do it the Chromecast.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Thanks for the comparisons; unfortunate to see that the EL is ignored again. It would be great to get the same FEL/colour accuracy comparisons on the Ugoos AM6 Plus and the Chromecast with Google TV if possible, now that there are some reports that they properly decode FEL.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Thanks! Interesting, the image of the Dune is much less detailed.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11372
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11374
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11375
Dune FEL vs Dune P8 vs X700 FEL vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://slow.pics/c/nCcd2BlK
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Damn it... only Total.Recall.1990.SL-P8-MEL.mkv file enable Dolby Vision with my Chromecast with Google TV, every other file plays in HDR10.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL vs Dune P8 vs X700 FEL vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://slow.pics/c/nCcd2BlK
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
I tried to create a mkv file via MakeMKV from the .iso, but it does the same. So I can't test the FEL processing...
The other samples worked well and other DV FEL files also do it fine, but not these ones... anyone can contribute with a solution?
Thanks in any case
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I have ripped the movie The Meg to .mp4 DV single layer using DVDFab and it shows up as DV in the Infuse GUI and plays as such just fine. The colors seem the same as when I play the disc in my Sony X800M2. I’m an ISF Certified Calibrator amongst many other industry things for 30+ years so would notice if color was amiss. What color issue is it that I’m supposed to be looking for exactly?shawnc22 wrote:Unfortunately like the previous poster said, you're never going to get real DV from UHD rips on an AppleTV. The main issue is that the hardware is only capable of profile 5 DV, which is single layer and in a different color space from the profile 7 found on UHD disks. So even if you have an MEL title that you can safely convert to single layer, you're still likely to have color accuracy issues to the lack of a color space conversion between the different profiles. With tsMuxer, you can alter the source code (there are also compiled versions floating around) so that instead of spitting out profile 8 for single layer files, it would produce profile 5 files. People have used this for their ATV, but like I said, there are likely to be color issues.HarperVision wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:56 pmYes that can be tricky so I always make sure I check the HDfury web GUI to see what is being sent. I’m the one who discovered the HDFury LLDV/Dolby Vision hack for HDR only displays/projectors and shared it with the world, so I know this well and check It often.
So the answer is, Infuse Pro only plays the HDR base layer of the DV rip so I’m only getting HDR10 and no DV, correct?
I do like the results of it with Dolby Vision forced on with Match Dynamic Range set to off. The AppleTV 4K does an exemplary job of mapping it to pseudo Dolby Vision but I’d love to feed it real DV if at all possible of course!
The only reason I’m not satisfied at this point is due to the lack of ATMOS audio.
So am I reading right that the new Chromecast Google TV is capable of playing all DV profiles with MEL and FEL and ATMOS?
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Thinking of going for an Oppo 203 for DV - does anyone know if the issue of the green garbled screen after playing a DV m2ts has been solved?
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Dune tv led is different/ compare to their version of LLDV but there is know way to really prove thatRESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:36 am@Manixx2020beyound finally got his hands on the new Dune player, time to do some comparisons
Unfortunately, the Dune does like the Shield and ignores the EL but there is no red push and the colors seem to be accurate. Even though it looks like the dune is ignoring the EL, there is still an improvement compared to the base layer. We have to compare it with a P8 rip.
Of course, this is an extreme case and it wouldn't be so different if the studios encoded the base layer properly in the first place but the improvement that the FEL brings here is phenomenal, imaging when we'll have true 12bit TV.
DV captured in PQ with the latest Atomos Shogun.
2160p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11367
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11365
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11366
1080p comparisons
tonemapped to SDR comparisons ( madVR static 300nits):
Dune FEL DV ISO vs X700 FEL DV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11372
Dune FEL DV ISO vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11374
X700 FEL DV vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11375
Dune FEL vs Dune P8 vs X700 FEL vs HDR10 bluray remux: https://slow.pics/c/nCcd2BlK
untouched PQ images from the Shogun:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HOh1R ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17-XW-E ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18qNpoU ... sp=sharing
interesting, the size difference of the lossless png...
I uploaded samples in different container and profile of that scene:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fzJYb ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LtE3ju ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrDF5j ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mYy3WO ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nD7-MH ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1on9KfI ... sp=sharing,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJkiL0 ... sp=sharing
Testing ghost in a shell
iSO which has a 8gg FEl
Curious on a more morden revision
So would the diff here be even more obvious?
Being that the fel is 8gigs ?
Also there seems to be more grain on different settings on the dune so more test is needed diff Fels
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