Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[Dolbybotdolbybone]

Thanks! I have also had questions about Dolby Vision profiles for a while and I never get a straight answer. So, to my understanding, profile 7 is only available on ultra blue ray discs and contains an extra layer called the enhancement layer which allows the content to achieve 12-bit color. If this is true, is profile seven definitely higher quality than profile 5? Also, is there a way to have profile 7 content in a local file? If so, what tv's/receivers/top boxes are compatible with profile 7? One last thing is that I have heard Low Latency Dolby Vision only has a minimal enhancement layer and not a full enhancement layer. What profile is LLDV and is it worse quality than regular dolby vision?

For my previous question about my file, do I have to have a Dolby Vision compatible moniter, top box (shield), and HDMI cable for this to work or can I plug my DV compatible monitor straight into my 2018 macbook air? And are there other top-boxes compatible with DV profile 5 and 7? Sorry again for all the questions .

fel vs mel vs streaming:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=119

yes, single layer p5 DV is only compatible with DV hardware. I would say most (if not all) DV hardware supports p5.
for dual layer p7, your playback options are more limited:

1-The shield can play p7 DV but has the famous red push issue: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9580 and probably does not support FEL
the shield is also not 100% perfect with p5 content, see:
shield vs LG C8: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9663
shield vs x700: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9662
x700 vs LG C8: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9661

2- The Oppo and Sony x700 /x800 can play p7 FEL with lossless audio/subs and have no colors issue.
3- FireStick TV, can play p7 but only MEL and has no color issue.
4- probably some other bluray players can play p7 FEL with lossy audio.


LLDV(player-led 422 12bits) is the player doing the tonemapping and regular DV (tv-led 8bit RGB) is the TV doing the work. Therefore, tv-led DV is superior to player-led DV.

Wow. This was incredibly helpful. Thank you. I have been interested in finding a tv that supports hdmi 2.1 4k 120hz VRR and can play DV p7 FEL. I am trying to avoid direct to tv solutions like an external drive for file playback as most tv's can't pass HD audio like True HD or DTS-HD MA by themselves. I would also like a receiver and set-top box that supports FEL. Any suggestions? Also, if I buy a shield, how do I know if it or the tv supports tv-led processing? And do certain profiles only work with LLDV source-led and not tv-led? Finally, How do I know if my UHD disc is p7 FEL and can I have files that are p7 FEL and burn them onto UHD Blu-ray discs without any loss in audio (true-hd atmos) and video quality?

[shawnc22]

Wow. This was incredibly helpful. I am interested in finding a tv that supports hdmi 2.1 4k 120hz VRR and can play DV p7 FEL. I also need a receiver that supports p7 FEL. Any suggestions? I have been wondering as well if there is a way to play mkv or mp4 files on a tv without a shield-like set-top box since the shield does not support p7 FEL? In addition, if I buy a shield, how do I know if it or the tv supports tv-led processing? Also, do certain profiles only work with LLDV source-led and not tv-led? Finally, How do I know which discs are p7 FEL and can I have files that are p7 FEL and burn them onto UHD Blu-ray discs? I am so sorry. Those are absolutely the last of my questions.

You don't need to do an extensive search on receivers and what profiles they support. Any AVR that supports DV passthrough will work; its job in terms of video is to just be able to pass the signal onto the TV. As for TVs, if you're looking to play files off the TV's internal player, then only the LG OLEDS (mixed report on the current X-generation ones) will be able to play FEL mp4s. But since it looks like you're also going to have a home theatre setup, you will miss out on lossless audio if you go this route. There is no TV that can play files with both DV and lossless audio. If you're going to use an external device for playback, then you do not have to worry about what profiles the TV support. The only thing you have to worry about is whether it can do tv-led or LLDV. Unfortunately, you're going to have to do a bit of google search on your prospective TV models to get a definite answer on each TV. From what I've seen, all Sonys with the exception of the x900H can only do LLDV and all LGs can do both. LLDV vs TV-Led is also only concerned with which device does the tone-mapping; it's not dependent on the DV profiles as far as I know. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=276448 has a good list of FEL vs MEL titles, and no idea if discs that you burn will be readable by blu-ray players.

[chros]

that file ... is supposed to be in profile 5... You can demux the file and then remux it with the mp4muxer to profile 5, that's what I did.
it plays fine in DV on the Shield.

Can you post the command lines for demuxing/remuxing? Thanks

[AndreasT]

Hi. When you said dual track files doesn't play, did you mean they didn't play with plex? I heard that internal player now plays DTDL files in mp4 with the latest FW. Could you please check whether its true?
Wish LG would release their new update here

Method to create test files
I use the yusesope tool v0.0.4_BETA as mentioned here https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 970#p96282 .

In my case I used my Top Gun UHD disc as the source. It is a FEL release as listed in this post https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=276448.

I ignored the audio track for these tests. It does not seem to make a difference since I used the process below for the complete movie with audio and its the same
playback results.

1. DTDL, profile 7.6, FEL
src\FFmpeg\ffmpeg_win_x64.exe -i 00003.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:0 -c copy BL_FEL.hevc
src\FFmpeg\ffmpeg_win_x64.exe -i 00003.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:1 -c copy EL_RPU_FEL.hevc
mp4muxer.exe -i BL_FEL.hevc -i EL_FEL.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o dtdl_dv7_fel.mp4

2. STDL, profile 7.6, FEL
Create an mkv using makemkv 1.15.14.
src\FFmpeg\ffmpeg_win_x64.exe -i t00.mkv -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:0 -c copy BL_EL_RPU_FEL.hevc
mp4muxer.exe -i BL_EL_RPU_FEL.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o stdl_dv7_fel.mp4

3. STDL, profile 7.6, MEL
v0.0.4_BETA\MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat, provide BL_FEL.hevc and EL_RPU_FEL.hevc from step 1.
mp4muxer.exe -i BL_EL_RPU.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o stdl_dv7_mel.mp4

4. DTDL, profile 7.6, MEL
v0.0.4_BETA\DEMUX.bat, provide BL_EL_RPU.hevc from 3.
mp4muxer.exe -i BL.hevc -i EL_RPU.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o dtdl_dv7_mel.mp4

Here are my tests

TV FW - v3.21.9
Plex for webOS - v5.6.1 (Platform v5.2.0)
Plex Media Server - v1.21.1

Plex for webOS (Preview)/Plex for webOS (Old)

dtdl_dv7_fel.mp4
Endless buffering. Does not start playing.

dtdl_dv7_mel.mp4
Endless buffering. Does not start playing.

stdl_dv7_fel.mp4
Plays in HDR mode.

stdl_dv7_mel.mp4
Plays and triggers DV. Colors seems ok.


Internal player (from USB stick)

dtdl_dv7_fel.mp4
Endless buffering (white circle). Does not start playing.

dtdl_dv7_mel.mp4
Endless buffering (white circle). Does not start playing.

stdl_dv7_fel.mp4
White circle, then shows file is not recognized. Does not play.

stdl_dv7_mel.mp4
Plays and triggers DV. Colors seems ok.

Did I do anything apparently wrong in the process of creating the test files?

Can anyone else please do the same and see if its the same for them?
It would also be interesting if someone still on the old FW could do these tests to see where the difference is, if any.

Thanks a lot for testing. On old FW, I only tested DTDL mp4 and m2ts files and both of them didn't work. Only files that worked from usb are profile 5 and in ts container. I will test these files this weekend.

If you are on the old FW still on your CX, could you please test the MP4\DTDL_021120 files that you can find at the bottom of this post https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 360#p97878 using the internal player from USB?

As I remember these two files did not play for me before the update, but now they are and triggering DV.

[RESET_9999]

Can you post the command lines for demuxing/remuxing? Thanks

for demuxing, you can simply use tsMuxer.
then mp4muxer:

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mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 5 --input-file video.hevc --input-file audio.ec3 --output-file new.mp4

[magnetoeric]

If you are on the old FW still on your CX, could you please test the MP4\DTDL_021120 files that you can find at the bottom of this post https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 360#p97878 using the internal player from USB?

As I remember these two files did not play for me before the update, but now they are and triggering DV.

I will test them on this weekend. But like I mentioned earlier, DTDL mp4 files didn't play. I think it gave me some playback error and failed to play even in HDR. Only DTDL m2ts files played in HDR. I'm happy that the latest FW has added support for mp4 files back

[agneva]

If you are on the old FW still on your CX, could you please test the MP4\DTDL_021120 files that you can find at the bottom of this post https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 360#p97878 using the internal player from USB?

As I remember these two files did not play for me before the update, but now they are and triggering DV.

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Firmware: 03.11.30 CX9LA

[pete19]

follow-up re p7 FEL on UHD discs:

I contacted a colleague who works in the industry and he contacted his Dolby contact. He stated that final color information in p7 FEL is 12bit 420, although he admitted that there's ongoing confusion about this (this person does not work directly on the DV en/decoding engine).

So for now, I'd assume color sampling is 12bit 420 indeed (not 12bit 422) and maybe Spears from S&M will add an image in the next S&M disc to verify this (as he mentioned on YT).

Rather sad, as even 10bit 422 would be more desirable than 12bit 420.

[lexyz]

@ lexyz
What’s the time duration on the shuttle scene?
I would like to try a fel comparison in rgb8 & LLDV for total recall using the x700.

Have you had the opportunity to make a comparison yet?

pete19
I'm glad you figure it out

[chros]

Can you post the command lines for demuxing/remuxing? Thanks

for demuxing, you can simply use tsMuxer.
then mp4muxer:

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mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 5 --input-file video.hevc --input-file audio.ec3 --output-file new.mp4

Thanks, but this ins't working here: I only got an empty file, it reads the 2 extracted tracks for 5 minutes for ~100 MB/s but it doesn't write out anything, no error message, no nothing.
(I tried out 4 times, tracks extracted by tsmuxer and dbl mp4demuxer.exe as well, used mp4muxer_64bits.exe from yusesope's post)

Don't we need other params for it?

Edit: worked finally for the 5th time (I used the mpeg4-comp-brand flag as well, dunno whether this helped or not), but the whole process lasted more than 30 minutes for whatever reason (it read the 2 demuxed files for 5 minutes, then did something for 20 (?) minutes without any disk activity, then it wrote out the whole file in once for another 5 mins). So, thank you for the help.
Here are the steps using dlb tools:

Demux:

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mp4demuxer.exe --input-file foo.mp4 --output-folder tmp

Remux:

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mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 5 --input-file out_1.h265 --input-file out_2.ac3 --mpeg4-comp-brand mp42,iso6,isom,msdh,dby1 --output-file try.mp4

[RESET_9999]

Don't we need other params for it?
Edit: worked finally for the 5th time (I used the mpeg4-comp-brand flag as well, dunno whether this helped or not), but the whole process lasted more than 30 minutes for whatever reason (it read the 2 demuxed files for 5 minutes, then did something for 20 (?) minutes without any disk activity, then it wrote out the whole file in once for another 5 mins). So, thank you for the help.Here are the steps using dlb tools:

yeah the mp4muxer is a very slow process

[chros]

yeah the mp4muxer is a very slow process

But what the heck does it do for +20 minutes?!

[shawnc22]

yeah the mp4muxer is a very slow process

But what the heck does it do for +20 minutes?!

It can very well be saving everything into memory and then dumping it all onto disk once it's finished processing. A progress counter definitely would've been nice, though.

[Manixx2020beyound]

@ lexyz
What’s the time duration on the shuttle scene?
I would like to try a fel comparison in rgb8 & LLDV for total recall using the x700.

Have you had the opportunity to make a comparison yet?
I did pretty hard to compare the scenes doe it’s mostly red.

On a diff topic profile 5 funky colors.
Capture purple/green colors which are permanent, to 4:22 pq rencode with Rpu bin
From original & rencode staxrip
Produce a perfect profile 5
Tested playback dv-rgb8
Test file meridian Netflix

[Mouth_of_Sauron]

I checked out this thread early on (in the first 10 or so pages) and had success in remuxing DV to MP4, it's been a while and was wondering if anything had changed (without reading all 275 pages).

1. Is this still the only tool that can do this, and when was the last time it was updated?

2. Is there any way to put chapters in? I've downloaded some DV rips that seem to have chapters, but I don't know how to do this with my own DV rips.

3. Are we still limited to AC3 audio?

4. Are there any free tools available now that will encode as EAC3 7.1 channel when converting from Dolby TrueHD 7.1 or DTS-MA 7.1? Or are we still limited to downmixing to 5.1 channel EAC3 encoding?

Thanks