I have it in dual layer TS on my x700 and there is no flickering.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:52 amThe saving private ryan flickering issue is also another big concern to me. too bad it's FEL, I can't test the single layer el+rpu on the x700. But I don't recall that I noticed flickering when I watched the dual layer TS.
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So, I did more comparison with my x700 and I just can't get a perfect match with any of the single-layer BL+EL+RPU( FEL or MEL). I'm starting to think that the Shield just can't play them properly because I can get a perfect match with the genuine profile 5 full range files from streaming services but never with the uhd-bd rip. It actually makes sense, maybe the shield was never meant to play dual layer rip.
Using a real profile 5(BL+RPU) test pattern, the Vertex completely fixes the red push issue and the colors match the x700 perfectly.
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4939
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4938
test pattern: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JURFyX ... sp=sharing
Spears & Munsil disc.
I see a red push even with the Vertex.
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4940
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4941
x700 default mode VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4942
Using a real profile 5(BL+RPU) test pattern, the Vertex completely fixes the red push issue and the colors match the x700 perfectly.
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4939
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4938
test pattern: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JURFyX ... sp=sharing
Spears & Munsil disc.
I see a red push even with the Vertex.
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4940
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4941
x700 default mode VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4942
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Could definitely be the case that the Shield just wasn’t meant to play back these kind of files. There is confirmed support for profile 4 MEL, though, so I’m wondering what kind of media they had in mind for the implementation. The only official profile 4 video I can think of is the lg demo from here: https://4kmedia.org/lg-dolby-vision-uhd-4k-demo/. I haven’t looked at this video closely or compared the playback off anything else to see if there’re any evidence of the red push here.
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That's really bizarre. That's completely different than the results I saw. I'm not able to take screen shots to show it, but, the picture was identical on the SM benchmark demo between my UB820 and the Shield. And I was not using the Integral 2 to correct anything at that time. And yes, I do get the red push problem in other videos. That Doctor Sleep sample that shawnc22 posted, as an example, I compared with my LG internal player vs the Shield and definitely saw the problem. So I have no idea what the pattern is here.
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The difference can be hard to see but if you compare a scene with a lot of red colors, it's more obvious.SamuriHL wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:53 pmThat's really bizarre. That's completely different than the results I saw. I'm not able to take screen shots to show it, but, the picture was identical on the SM benchmark demo between my UB820 and the Shield. And I was not using the Integral 2 to correct anything at that time. And yes, I do get the red push problem in other videos. That Doctor Sleep sample that shawnc22 posted, as an example, I compared with my LG internal player vs the Shield and definitely saw the problem. So I have no idea what the pattern is here.
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I'll take a look tonight.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:07 pmThe difference can be hard to see but if you compare a scene with a lot of red colors, it's more obvious.SamuriHL wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:53 pmThat's really bizarre. That's completely different than the results I saw. I'm not able to take screen shots to show it, but, the picture was identical on the SM benchmark demo between my UB820 and the Shield. And I was not using the Integral 2 to correct anything at that time. And yes, I do get the red push problem in other videos. That Doctor Sleep sample that shawnc22 posted, as an example, I compared with my LG internal player vs the Shield and definitely saw the problem. So I have no idea what the pattern is here.
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definitely going to try that file. thank'sshawnc22 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:52 pmThe only official profile 4 video I can think of is the lg demo from here: https://4kmedia.org/lg-dolby-vision-uhd-4k-demo/. I haven’t looked at this video closely or compared the playback off anything else to see if there’re any evidence of the red push here.
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I've conduct the same comparison with your pattern DV file.RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:27 pmSo, I did more comparison with my x700 and I just can't get a perfect match with any of the single-layer BL+EL+RPU( FEL or MEL). I'm starting to think that the Shield just can't play them properly because I can get a perfect match with the genuine profile 5 full range files from streaming services but never with the uhd-bd rip. It actually makes sense, maybe the shield was never meant to play dual layer rip.
Using a real profile 5(BL+RPU) test pattern, the Vertex completely fixes the red push issue and the colors match the x700 perfectly.
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4939
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4938
test pattern: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JURFyX ... sp=sharing
Spears & Munsil disc.
I see a red push even with the Vertex.
Shield Vertex fix VS Shield RGB bt2020 default https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4940
Shield Vertex fix VS x700 default mode: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4941
x700 default mode VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4942
I compared the mp4 played with my Shield RGB bt2020 and with in-app Philips
Shield Normal VS Philips TV https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4946
And my results seems slightly differents
Cyan is brighter with my shield but i'm not sure about a red push
it's very strange
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interesting..... yours appear undersaturated compared to the philips and yes indeed, very different than my comparisons but I noticed your taking pictures in a bright room. My pictures were taken in a complete dark room ( black velvet everywhere) without any light. Perhaps thats the difference ? I dont know but I'm clearly getting the same color difference no matter how many comparisons i do.Darthjipsu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:15 pmI've conduct the same comparison with your pattern DV file.
I compared the mp4 played with my Shield RGB bt2020 and with in-app Philips
Shield Normal VS Philips TV https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4946
And my results seems slightly differents
Cyan is brighter with my shield but i'm not sure about a red push
it's very strange
Also, I assume your camera settings are locked?
EDIT:, you sure the signal is RGB ? I don't know what DV type the Philips tv supports, maybe LLDV ? that would explain why the red color seems ok.
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RESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:01 pminteresting..... yours appear undersaturated compared to the philips and yes indeed, very different than my comparisons but I noticed your taking pictures in a bright room. My pictures were taken in a complete dark room ( black velvet everywhere) without any light. Perhaps thats the difference ? I dont know but I'm clearly getting the same color difference no matter how many comparisons i do.Darthjipsu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:15 pmI've conduct the same comparison with your pattern DV file.
I compared the mp4 played with my Shield RGB bt2020 and with in-app Philips
Shield Normal VS Philips TV https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4946
And my results seems slightly differents
Cyan is brighter with my shield but i'm not sure about a red push
it's very strange
Also, I assume your camera settings are locked?
It's not in a bright room, just ambilight activated. I could try to turn off ambilight.
And yes I locked my camera Settings (ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture, White Balance)
I will also try later today or tomorrow the video with plex running on Philips to see if the problem come from Multimedia App or Shield TV
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Very close to what I see on my tvRESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:27 pmSpears & Munsil disc.
I see a red push even with the Vertex.
x700 default mode VS Shield RGB bt2020 default: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4942
I can't tell there is any noticeable red pushRESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:27 pmtest pattern: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JURFyX ... sp=sharing
Bravia internal Plex vs Shield Plex
Bravia's internal apps are brighter, so ignore brightness difference
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do you have any device that can tell you if you are getting RGB 8bit DV or LLDV 12bit?Darthjipsu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:08 pm
It's not in a bright room, just ambilight activated. I could try to turn off ambilight.
And yes I locked my camera Settings (ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture, White Balance)
I will also try later today or tomorrow the video with plex running on Philips to see if the problem come from Multimedia App or Shield TV
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yeah, with a Sony TV, you shouldn't have any red push with genuine profile 5 files or from any streaming apps.lexyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:35 pm
I can't tell there is any noticeable red push
Bravia internal Plex vs Shield Plex
Bravia's internal apps are brighter, so ignore brightness difference
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/4951
but thats a huge brightness difference!!
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My TV tells me that I receive 8bit RGB when using Nvidia ShieldRESET_9999 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:26 pmdo you have any device that can tell you if you are getting RGB 8bit DV or LLDV 12bit?Darthjipsu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:08 pm
It's not in a bright room, just ambilight activated. I could try to turn off ambilight.
And yes I locked my camera Settings (ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture, White Balance)
I will also try later today or tomorrow the video with plex running on Philips to see if the problem come from Multimedia App or Shield TV
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Interesting. is it an OLED ? I wonder if that could matter.Darthjipsu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:30 pm
My TV tells me that I receive 8bit RGB when using Nvidia Shield
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