Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[stephon1024]

Is there anyway to use handbrake to compress the base file before using your special tool?

For this type of experiment, I recommend using the 0.0.4 alfa version of my tool.

You're right when you say "it's the EL where all the DV info lives" but keep in mind that the info contained in EL are "calibrated" on those inside BL.
If you re-encode BL, logically, you should also modify EL.
No one has yet reversed the algorithm needed to generate new RPU metadata (and, in the case of FEL layers, new frames).

Imagine a guy (BL layer) with a weight of 180Kg who, after following a diet, reaches a body weight of 80Kg.
His clothes (EL layer) are now unusable but the clothing stores (the algorithm) are closed due to the quarantine.
The guy will be forced to use his old clothes.
He will always have clothes on but his style will be a little "sui generis".

I've experimented a lot, re-encoding the BL layer with staxrip/x265 and 0.0.4alfa always merged it with EL without any problem. Also I have an m9702 so I can just mux the re-encoded BL and EL into full UHD BDVM structure (with tsMuxeR) and DV works. I spent hours by testing the results (re-encoded BL+EL), comparing them scene by scene to the HDR10 base layer and also to the full untouched UHD BluRay on my LG C8 Oled and I really beleive this method works perfectly. I've never noticed any difference between the files with re-encoded BL and the full UHD BluRays, but the differences were pretty significant comparing them to the untouched HDR10-base layer. I used the following movies for my tests: Aquaman, The Meg, Fantastic Beasts 2, Midway, Game of Thrones S08E03.
Using the right x265 settings, only the bitrate will be lower but everything else (including the HDR10 metadata) will be the same as in the original BL so I don't see why wouldn't it work.

PapitaHD - appreciate the feedback. I'm going to grab staxrip and see what I can do. Anything I should know about what x265 settings to use when doing this?

Thanks,

[stephon1024]

For this type of experiment, I recommend using the 0.0.4 alfa version of my tool.

You're right when you say "it's the EL where all the DV info lives" but keep in mind that the info contained in EL are "calibrated" on those inside BL.
If you re-encode BL, logically, you should also modify EL.
No one has yet reversed the algorithm needed to generate new RPU metadata (and, in the case of FEL layers, new frames).

Imagine a guy (BL layer) with a weight of 180Kg who, after following a diet, reaches a body weight of 80Kg.
His clothes (EL layer) are now unusable but the clothing stores (the algorithm) are closed due to the quarantine.
The guy will be forced to use his old clothes.
He will always have clothes on but his style will be a little "sui generis".

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Hey yusesope, thanks so much for the quick response. really appreciate the help. I will try using the latest alfa version of the tool and report back.

Anyway, thank you again for all the hard work you've put in to the tool... it's freakin awesome.

stephon1024, did you give my test samples a try? Did they work? It would be nice to get a little feedback.

Hey Marty,

Yes sir, I tried both of your samples... So the DV profile 7 sample didn't work at all off the USB with a hard drive on my c9.

The profile 6 one just kept trying to do load and nothing... I think the best profile for direct play off an LG TV is DV profile 4. That works for the bluray rips too because it supports the 1:1/4 BL/EL ratio that comes on UHD bluray's with DV.

I'm able to get profile 04.06 DV files to play... again, the bitrate is just too high for the C9 SOC, so I'm trying to figure out a way to compress the BL without breaking the DV. Looks like I've got some good feedback - I'll report on this thread if I'm able to get it to work.

I'll also report on my full workflow (all software involved from backup using MKV to final output/playback).

Thanks for your help tho Marty, always worth a shot!

[SamuriHL]

Profile 04.06 seems the best for the players I have access to. All the discs I've ripped with that so far work great.

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[PapitaHD]

For this type of experiment, I recommend using the 0.0.4 alfa version of my tool.

You're right when you say "it's the EL where all the DV info lives" but keep in mind that the info contained in EL are "calibrated" on those inside BL.
If you re-encode BL, logically, you should also modify EL.
No one has yet reversed the algorithm needed to generate new RPU metadata (and, in the case of FEL layers, new frames).

Imagine a guy (BL layer) with a weight of 180Kg who, after following a diet, reaches a body weight of 80Kg.
His clothes (EL layer) are now unusable but the clothing stores (the algorithm) are closed due to the quarantine.
The guy will be forced to use his old clothes.
He will always have clothes on but his style will be a little "sui generis".

I've experimented a lot, re-encoding the BL layer with staxrip/x265 and 0.0.4alfa always merged it with EL without any problem. Also I have an m9702 so I can just mux the re-encoded BL and EL into full UHD BDVM structure (with tsMuxeR) and DV works. I spent hours by testing the results (re-encoded BL+EL), comparing them scene by scene to the HDR10 base layer and also to the full untouched UHD BluRay on my LG C8 Oled and I really beleive this method works perfectly. I've never noticed any difference between the files with re-encoded BL and the full UHD BluRays, but the differences were pretty significant comparing them to the untouched HDR10-base layer. I used the following movies for my tests: Aquaman, The Meg, Fantastic Beasts 2, Midway, Game of Thrones S08E03.
Using the right x265 settings, only the bitrate will be lower but everything else (including the HDR10 metadata) will be the same as in the original BL so I don't see why wouldn't it work.

PapitaHD - appreciate the feedback. I'm going to grab staxrip and see what I can do. Anything I should know about what x265 settings to use when doing this?

Thanks,

You should always use crf, and also check the following settings in the x265 options menu of staxrip:
Vui page: HDR10 - yes; Block-level luma and chroma QP optimization for HDR10 content - check this box
Slice Decision page: Open gop - uncheck (no open-GOP); min GOP size 1, Max GOP size 24

[darrrkmanxxx]

Are there any differences in quality of the dv profiles? e.g. dvhe06.06 vs dvhe08.06. If yes the which is the best?

[MartyMcNuts]

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Hey Marty,

Yes sir, I tried both of your samples... So the DV profile 7 sample didn't work at all off the USB with a hard drive on my c9.

The profile 6 one just kept trying to do load and nothing... I think the best profile for direct play off an LG TV is DV profile 4. That works for the bluray rips too because it supports the 1:1/4 BL/EL ratio that comes on UHD bluray's with DV.

I'm able to get profile 04.06 DV files to play... again, the bitrate is just too high for the C9 SOC, so I'm trying to figure out a way to compress the BL without breaking the DV. Looks like I've got some good feedback - I'll report on this thread if I'm able to get it to work.

I'll also report on my full workflow (all software involved from backup using MKV to final output/playback).

Thanks for your help tho Marty, always worth a shot!
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Hi stephon1024,

Here are a couple more samples for you to try. They are all profile 4.

MP4 sample: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yd16poxk ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyud6pxl ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/flnswvgk ... 4.zip/file


Let me know how you go...

[sonysg]

Dear all,

I'm using OPPO 205 and Sony X950G

I have a problem when playing Dolby Vision disc or MP4 muxed Dolby Vision files

How could we enforced film to full screen(No Black bar) when play back DV contains? It said this operation is not permitted when I pressed "Zoom" on the Oppo's remote

I could do full screen easily on HDR10 but not in Dolby Vision format, only Full screen Dolby Vision contain could (i.e BumbleBee, Transformer 4) I wish I could to do that for every Dolby Vision titles to enhance the movie viewing experience

How to we bypass this restriction? it could because of the metadata of second layer(1920*1080) of Dolby Vision contains prevent this to be happened, because muxing Dolby Vision using MP4 container is possible now, I would like to save hard disk space and get rid of black bar whenever possible, Does MakeMKV allow or maximise the full screen properties when muxing in MP4 format?

Looking forward for your suggestion

[kazuma]

Hey Marty,

Yes sir, I tried both of your samples... So the DV profile 7 sample didn't work at all off the USB with a hard drive on my c9.

The profile 6 one just kept trying to do load and nothing... I think the best profile for direct play off an LG TV is DV profile 4. That works for the bluray rips too because it supports the 1:1/4 BL/EL ratio that comes on UHD bluray's with DV.

I'm able to get profile 04.06 DV files to play... again, the bitrate is just too high for the C9 SOC, so I'm trying to figure out a way to compress the BL without breaking the DV. Looks like I've got some good feedback - I'll report on this thread if I'm able to get it to work.

I'll also report on my full workflow (all software involved from backup using MKV to final output/playback).

Thanks for your help tho Marty, always worth a shot!
[/quote]

Hi stephon1024,

Here are a couple more samples for you to try. They are all profile 4.

MP4 sample: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yd16poxk ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyud6pxl ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/flnswvgk ... 4.zip/file


Let me know how you go...
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profile 7 works fine on my c9..

[deadchip12]

Hi stephon1024,

Here are a couple more samples for you to try. They are all profile 4.

MP4 sample: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yd16poxk ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyud6pxl ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/flnswvgk ... 4.zip/file


Let me know how you go...

Wow could you show me how you created these? This is the first time a .mp4 & .ts dolby vision version of Gemini Man that my c9 is able to play smoothly at the correct 60 fps via external hdd.

[MartyMcNuts]

Hi stephon1024,

Here are a couple more samples for you to try. They are all profile 4.

MP4 sample: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yd16poxk ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyud6pxl ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/flnswvgk ... 4.zip/file


Let me know how you go...

Wow could you show me how you created these? This is the first time a .mp4 & .ts dolby vision version of Gemini Man that my c9 is able to play smoothly at the correct 60 fps via external hdd.

Good to know deadchip12.

Did you try all 3 samples?
Did all of them work?
Was DV recognized and colors appear correctly?

[bl4ck]

hmm kodi 19 support DV single layer?

[deadchip12]

Hi stephon1024,

Here are a couple more samples for you to try. They are all profile 4.

MP4 sample: https://www.mediafire.com/file/yd16poxk ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyud6pxl ... 9.zip/file

TS sample 2: https://www.mediafire.com/file/flnswvgk ... 4.zip/file


Let me know how you go...

Wow could you show me how you created these? This is the first time a .mp4 & .ts dolby vision version of Gemini Man that my c9 is able to play smoothly at the correct 60 fps via external hdd.

Good to know deadchip12.

Did you try all 3 samples?
Did all of them work?
Was DV recognized and colors appear correctly?

Hmm...turns out only the first 2 work. The 3rd one says "the file cannot be recognized".
Are these all profile 4 and single layer? Reading your previous posts, it seems like you reduced the bit rate of the film on these files?

[MartyMcNuts]

Wow could you show me how you created these? This is the first time a .mp4 & .ts dolby vision version of Gemini Man that my c9 is able to play smoothly at the correct 60 fps via external hdd.

Good to know deadchip12.

Did you try all 3 samples?
Did all of them work?
Was DV recognized and colors appear correctly?

Hmm...turns out only the first 2 work. The 3rd one says "the file cannot be recognized".
Are these all profile 4 and single layer? Reading your previous posts, it seems like you reduced the bit rate of the film on these files?

Yes, I re-encoded the BL at approx 25000k.

Here is the mediainfo for the MP4 & the first TS:

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 28 s 895 ms
Bit rate : 27.1 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 176 pixels
Original height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.054
Stream size : 93.2 MiB (91%)
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 5180 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light : 1577 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.09, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 28 s 928 ms
Bit rate : 2 636 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.021
Stream size : 9.09 MiB (9%)
Language : English
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC


For the 1st TS file, I just did the old "change the file extension" trick and that TS file has worked for you.



The 3rd file (other TS file) I created using yusesope's 0.0.4 tool and TS muxer but this file is not quite right. Mediainfo shows it as "Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.0A, BL+EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible". I'm not sure why it comes out as 04.0A?? I wonder if there is any way to hex edit the 0A to 09??

Here is the mediainfo for it:

Video
ID : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.0A, BL+EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : 36
Duration : 28 s 878 ms
Bit rate : 28.9 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.058
Stream size : 99.6 MiB (95%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 5180 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light : 1577 cd/m2


Anyone have any ideas??

[deadchip12]

Yes, I re-encoded the BL at approx 25000k.

Here is the mediainfo for the MP4 & the first TS:

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 28 s 895 ms
Bit rate : 27.1 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 176 pixels
Original height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.054
Stream size : 93.2 MiB (91%)
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 5180 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light : 1577 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.09, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 28 s 928 ms
Bit rate : 2 636 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.021
Stream size : 9.09 MiB (9%)
Language : English
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

How did you make a profile 4 dolby vision mp4 like this? Could you let me know the steps? Previously I used profile 7 (and maybe 5 or 6) and the file always stuttered. Not sure if this time it plays smoothly because of profile 4 or lower bitrate.

[kazuma]

since yesterday i'm using the M9702 player. The DV PQ is far better in 4K iso, comparing to the profile 7 mp4's. i'm curious what the reason is? are we getting fake DV with mp4? or is the PQ of the box so good?