Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[Grencola]

I'm using w64-nightly-2020-02-23--01-10-39 and it hasn't crashed yet, it's currently at 17% processing a single layer DV mp4 created by DVDFab. Will keep you updated.

success?

[built_to_chill]

Has anyone else noticed subtle lip sync issues playing dual layer DV MP4s (with LPCM) on the X700?

I’ve noticed it a few times now when starting playing different files. Although it seems to perhaps correct itself after a bit.

Comparatively, discs always seem to have spot on lip sync.

[mattmarsden]

I'm using w64-nightly-2020-02-23--01-10-39 and it hasn't crashed yet, it's currently at 17% processing a single layer DV mp4 created by DVDFab. Will keep you updated.

success?

I've just muxed Cliffhanger with this build of Tsmuxer - I created the single layer mp4 with DVDFab and then added it to Tsmuxer. I might be noticing occasional stutters but I will need to do more testing. So far it seems to work and means you can add PGS subtitles and HD audio. I'm not entitely convinced yet on the single layer file made by DVDfab, I seem to be ssing patchy cyan/blue colours in certain whites. Again more testinf required.

[baker99]

I'm using w64-nightly-2020-02-23--01-10-39 and it hasn't crashed yet, it's currently at 17% processing a single layer DV mp4 created by DVDFab. Will keep you updated.

success?

I've just muxed Cliffhanger with this build of Tsmuxer - I created the single layer mp4 with DVDFab and then added it to Tsmuxer. I might be noticing occasional stutters but I will need to do more testing. So far it seems to work and means you can add PGS subtitles and HD audio. I'm not entitely convinced yet on the single layer file made by DVDfab, I seem to be ssing patchy cyan/blue colours in certain whites. Again more testinf required.

I chose a difficult title that appears to use multiple m2ts files, the results last night were that it wouldn't play correctly, I think due to the atmos track, I'm trying again today using a different method.

[built_to_chill]

I’m not having much luck with the X700:

- Dual layer DV MP4s with LPCM audio have lip sync issues. It’s subtle and comes and goes - but is frequently there. Could be related to my setup (a Denon AVR)

- Anything I create with tsMuxer seems to be corrupt (skipping, audio and video completely out of sync). This is regardless of using Dolby vision MP4s - the common driver seems to be thd+ac3 files created using eac3to. I’m using eac3to via wine on Ubuntu so maybe that’s the problem.

[Grencola]

I chose a difficult title that appears to use multiple m2ts files, the results last night were that it wouldn't play correctly, I think due to the atmos track, I'm trying again today using a different method.

try just dragging the largest m2ts file from your bdmv/streams/ folder into tsmuxer for now..

[superfans124]

Has anyone else noticed subtle lip sync issues playing dual layer DV MP4s (with LPCM) on the X700?

I’ve noticed it a few times now when starting playing different files. Although it seems to perhaps correct itself after a bit.

Comparatively, discs always seem to have spot on lip sync.

oh yeah, I do experience that audio delay with x700. I think I tried the Deer Hunter, was way out of sync, maybe by 800ms. Played the mp4 on PC, in sync, on x700, out of sync. Not every title is out of sync, and not every out of sync title is off by the same duration. It's this random nature that drew me off. I think I'll jump over to projectors sooner or later, get a Penny ub820 and forget about having to deal with DV at all. lol.

[built_to_chill]

Has anyone else noticed subtle lip sync issues playing dual layer DV MP4s (with LPCM) on the X700?

I’ve noticed it a few times now when starting playing different files. Although it seems to perhaps correct itself after a bit.

Comparatively, discs always seem to have spot on lip sync.

oh yeah, I do experience that audio delay with x700. I think I tried the Deer Hunter, was way out of sync, maybe by 800ms. Played the mp4 on PC, in sync, on x700, out of sync. Not every title is out of sync, and not every out of sync title is off by the same duration. It's this random nature that drew me off. I think I'll jump over to projectors sooner or later, get a Penny ub820 and forget about having to deal with DV at all. lol.

Thanks for confirming. Good to know its not just me.

[built_to_chill]

So... every file I've tried creating so far with tsMuxeR is corrupt (whether I play on a computer in VLC or in the X700).

Googling there seems to be a known issue that when using tsMuxeR with hevc, frames can be skipped leading to these sorts of issues. I'm having a hard time figuring out if the fix for this has been made public yet and which version to download. It seems there are some forks of tsMuxeR with more up to date fixes.

I wonder if anybody could help with advice on which version of tsMuxeR to install that should be ok with UHD mkvs?

Thanks.

[RESET_9999]

Has anyone else noticed subtle lip sync issues playing dual layer DV MP4s (with LPCM) on the X700?

I’ve noticed it a few times now when starting playing different files. Although it seems to perhaps correct itself after a bit.

Comparatively, discs always seem to have spot on lip sync.

oh yeah, I do experience that audio delay with x700. I think I tried the Deer Hunter, was way out of sync, maybe by 800ms. Played the mp4 on PC, in sync, on x700, out of sync. Not every title is out of sync, and not every out of sync title is off by the same duration. It's this random nature that drew me off. I think I'll jump over to projectors sooner or later, get a Penny ub820 and forget about having to deal with DV at all. lol.

800ms out of sync.. wow i never ever had this issue....
I noticed in some rare occasions a small 100-200ms delay and i just pause/resume the video and it go back in sync.

x700---> denon AVR---> C8

[RESET_9999]

So... every file I've tried creating so far with tsMuxeR is corrupt (whether I play on a computer in VLC or in the X700).

Googling there seems to be a known issue that when using tsMuxeR with hevc, frames can be skipped leading to these sorts of issues. I'm having a hard time figuring out if the fix for this has been made public yet and which version to download. It seems there are some forks of tsMuxeR with more up to date fixes.

I wonder if anybody could help with advice on which version of tsMuxeR to install that should be ok with UHD mkvs?

Thanks.

sounds like you are using the very old not open source version of tsmuxer which did not support uhd-bd properly

this version is the right one: 2020-02-23--01-10-39.zip
https://bintray.com/justdan96/tsMuxer/t ... htly#files

[baker99]

DL seems fine, I always have lip sync issues with the x700 and my Denon avr, the ts doesn't seem any worse than other files for this.

SL works and plays with DV, I can't get Atmos to work on the shield in SL though, but that could be me doing something wrong, mediainfo says there's an Atmos track, plex on the shield just doesn't see it.

Edit: Atmos works fine on SL DV ts on the X700, so looks like plex or the shield being funny

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General
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Complete name                            : G:\Dolby Vision SL\DV.SL.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 80.4 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 87.4 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 35.5 Mb/s

Video
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Commercial name                          : HDR10
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Dolby Vision                             : 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
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Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
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Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.399
Stream size                              : 73.0 GiB (91%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1351 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 384 cd/m2

Audio #1
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3 MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3 + Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 131
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 5 931 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
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Language                                 : English
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Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration                : LFE

Audio #2
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Bit rate mode                            : Constant
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Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
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Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #3
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #4
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
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Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
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Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #5
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
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Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
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Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #6
ID                                       : 4357 (0x1105)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
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Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
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Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
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Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #7
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #8
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Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
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[superfans124]

Has anyone else noticed subtle lip sync issues playing dual layer DV MP4s (with LPCM) on the X700?

I’ve noticed it a few times now when starting playing different files. Although it seems to perhaps correct itself after a bit.

Comparatively, discs always seem to have spot on lip sync.

oh yeah, I do experience that audio delay with x700. I think I tried the Deer Hunter, was way out of sync, maybe by 800ms. Played the mp4 on PC, in sync, on x700, out of sync. Not every title is out of sync, and not every out of sync title is off by the same duration. It's this random nature that drew me off. I think I'll jump over to projectors sooner or later, get a Penny ub820 and forget about having to deal with DV at all. lol.

800ms out of sync.. wow i never ever had this issue....
I noticed in some rare occasions a small 100-200ms delay and i just pause/resume the video and it go back in sync.

x700---> denon AVR---> C8

almost the same: x700 > Denon x4300h > C6

my mp4 was done with the mp4box, because I remember I had to search for command lines to adjust for the audio sync issues, way too tedious work to find whether it was 800ms or 600ms delay in the TV end, you can imagine. So I just stopped bothering. Even the ones muxed with DVDfab give me slight delay, but no pause/resume would fix it on my end, it's consistently out of sync throughout.

[Grencola]

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Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
[b]Format                                   : AC-3[/b] MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3 + Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 131
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
[b]Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s[/b]
Maximum bit rate                         : 5 931 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
[b]Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 422 MiB (1%)[/b]
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Number of dynamic objects                : 15
Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration                : LFE

Audio #2
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Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
[b]Format                                   : AC-3[/b]
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
[b]Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s[/b]
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
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Service kind                             : Complete Main

sigh.. once again that does NOT appear to be real truehd atmos. not even dd+ eac3 atmos. I'm not sure why that's on a uhd disc, the other 99% of them are full high-bitrate lossless atmos. it's possible the shield is having an issue with this sorry excuse for atmos.

a better test for the shield would be to try a title with full lossless thd atmos and uncheck all others in TSMuxer so that it's the only audio track the ts has.

there should be no mention of ac-3 in real atmos, only true-hd, like this:

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Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 1 h 43 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 8 449 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 10.6 Mb/s
Channel(s) : 8 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 6.09 GiB (11%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Number of dynamic objects : 13
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE

[baker99]

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Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
[b]Format                                   : AC-3[/b] MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3 + Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 131
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
[b]Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s[/b]
Maximum bit rate                         : 5 931 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
[b]Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 422 MiB (1%)[/b]
Language                                 : English
Service kind                             : Complete Main
Number of dynamic objects                : 15
Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration                : LFE

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
[b]Format                                   : AC-3[/b]
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2 h 11 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
[b]Bit rate                                 : 448 kb/s[/b]
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
[b]Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 422 MiB (1%)[/b]
Service kind                             : Complete Main

sigh.. once again that does appear to be real truehd atmos. not even dd+ eac3 atmos. I'm not sure why that's on a uhd disc, the other 99% of them are full high-bitrate lossless atmos. it's possible the shield is having an issue with this sorry excuse for atmos.

a better test for the shield would be to try a title with full lossless thd atmos and uncheck all others in TSMuxer so that it's the only audio track the ts has.

there should be no mention of ac-3 in real atmos, only true-hd, like this:

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Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : MLP FBA 16-ch
Format/Info : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
Commercial name : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : A_TRUEHD
Duration : 1 h 43 min
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 8 449 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 10.6 Mb/s
Channel(s) : 8 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossless
Stream size : 6.09 GiB (11%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Number of dynamic objects : 13
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE

I figured there was something wrong with that track, any tips on how to properly extract the Atmos track from a UHD disc? I have tried a few things so far, for the above what I did was create a DVDFab SL DV mp4, dropped that into tsmuxer, then dropped the original m2ts into tsmuxer, I removed the video tracks the m2ts added leaving only all it's audio tracks and PGS files, then muxe to a ts.

For DL it's so much easier, just drop the m2ts in then mux.

I'm going to try another disc and see what happens.