HD-DVD Subtitles?

[cozzmo]

I've got over 10 movies successfully done now, but none of the subtitles work on any of the movies. I have selected all english subtitle tracks for most of them, and none of them work. I assumed that one would often be forced track and the other would be full subs. I use VLC to play it back none of the subtitle tracks work at all no matter which is selected. Anyone else got this issue?

[Krobar]

Broken for me too on HDDVD, fine on Bluray and DVD.

[dtblair]

Do the subtitles work if split out and converted to SUBs using MKVcleaver and BDSup2Sub? Just wondering if MakeMKV is corrupting the PGS stream. (Is the PGS stream showing up in MediaInfo?)

[SamuriHL]

Can you post the media info text for one that has subs that don't work?

[cozzmo]

Here you go.

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General
Complete name                    : E:\HD-DVDs\HP1-PhilosphersStone-HDDVD.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 21.2 GiB
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Overall bit rate                 : 19.9 Mbps
Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-09-21 10:22:55
Writing application              : MakeMKV v1.6.0 win(x64-release)
Writing library                  : libmakemkv v1.6.0 (0.7.7/0.8.1) win(x64-release)

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : VC-1
Format profile                   : AP@L3
Codec ID                         : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint                    : Microsoft
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate                       : 29.970 fps
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Scan order                       : Top Field First
Language                         : English

Audio #1
ID                               : 2
Format                           : E-AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID                         : A_EAC3
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Stream size                      : 697 MiB (3%)
Title                            : 3/2+1
Language                         : English

Audio #2
ID                               : 3
Format                           : TrueHD
Codec ID                         : A_TRUEHD
Codec ID/Info                    : Dolby TrueHD
Duration                         : 2h 32mn
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 24 bits
Title                            : 5.1
Language                         : English

Text #1
ID                               : 4
Format                           : VobSub
Codec ID                         : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info                    : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language                         : English

Text #2
ID                               : 5
Format                           : VobSub
Codec ID                         : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info                    : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language                         : English

Menu
00:00:00.000                     : en:Chapter 00
00:04:05.000                     : en:Chapter 01
00:08:10.500                     : en:Chapter 02
00:12:16.500                     : en:Chapter 03
00:18:24.000                     : en:Chapter 04
00:21:42.166                     : en:Chapter 05
00:24:40.000                     : en:Chapter 06
00:28:47.666                     : en:Chapter 07
00:31:03.166                     : en:Chapter 08
00:34:03.333                     : en:Chapter 09
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00:41:26.833                     : en:Chapter 11
00:46:10.500                     : en:Chapter 12
00:50:25.833                     : en:Chapter 13
00:55:01.000                     : en:Chapter 14
01:00:51.833                     : en:Chapter 15
01:03:39.833                     : en:Chapter 16
01:07:43.833                     : en:Chapter 17
01:13:44.666                     : en:Chapter 18
01:20:13.000                     : en:Chapter 19
01:23:49.333                     : en:Chapter 20
01:28:27.000                     : en:Chapter 21
01:31:36.833                     : en:Chapter 22
01:36:36.666                     : en:Chapter 23
01:42:28.500                     : en:Chapter 24
01:48:58.166                     : en:Chapter 25
01:53:14.666                     : en:Chapter 26
01:58:02.500                     : en:Chapter 27
02:03:37.166                     : en:Chapter 28
02:06:48.333                     : en:Chapter 29
02:10:47.333                     : en:Chapter 30
02:14:10.500                     : en:Chapter 31
02:17:21.166                     : en:Chapter 32
02:21:36.000                     : en:Chapter 33
02:24:02.000                     : en:Chapter 34

[SamuriHL]

Ohhhh, that can't be good. MakeMKV 1.60 is outputting the subs as VOB subs?!?!?! HD DVD's use PGS subs just like BD's!! I just tested one of the movies I made yesterday...it has vob subs and I can't get them to work, either. That seems...bad.

[cozzmo]

OK so at least that identifies a problem that can be fixed right ?

[SamuriHL]

Yup. For some reason MakeMKV is putting them in as VOB subs. Seems like a bug. I don't know if maybe it's misidentifying them in the header or not. (Or if that's even possible). I guess I could try taking a look at the header editor in MMG and see if they can be fixed.

EDIT: Well that successfully broke my MKV. I guess someone else who's better with the header editor than me can try it. But this is a bug that MakeMKV needs to fix.

[cozzmo]

All part of the development process. Hopefully its an easy fix. Just means they'll need to be ripped again.

[SamuriHL]

Yup. Along with the other problems with titles like The Matrix and Top Gun. Hopefully this can all be fixed cause I really badly wanna get my HD DVD collection converted to MKV's to back them up properly. TMT is really the last great player for HD DVD's and I suspect that it's going to get dropped at some point. So having them converted to MKV would be good. Besides, we can bitstream MKV's.

[mike admin]

HD DVD's use PGS subs just like BD's!!

That's not true. HD-DVDs always use VOBSUB, either 2-bit (4 color) as DVD or extended 8-bit (256 colors). I guess not too many programs can read them.

[cozzmo]

HD DVD's use PGS subs just like BD's!!

That's not true. HD-DVDs always use VOBSUB, either 2-bit (4 color) as DVD or extended 8-bit (256 colors). I guess not too many programs can read them.

So does that mean that they are properly transferred (and i don't need to re-rip the discs) but i'll either need to convert them to another format and remux or use a specific player that can properly read them?

[SamuriHL]

HD DVD's use PGS subs just like BD's!!

That's not true. HD-DVDs always use VOBSUB, either 2-bit (4 color) as DVD or extended 8-bit (256 colors). I guess not too many programs can read them.

I wasn't aware of this. I guess I'm going to need to look into this situation more. Personally I'll probably convert them. I have a rip I did of Top Gun a while back and it's using PGS subs that work fine. It's possible my tool that I used converted them. I honestly don't know.

[Darnell]

hi i have the same problem, will it be solved?

[scurrilous]

HD DVD's use PGS subs just like BD's!!

That's not true. HD-DVDs always use VOBSUB, either 2-bit (4 color) as DVD or extended 8-bit (256 colors). I guess not too many programs can read them.

This is what I've read too. However, I can't find any tools that will understand them (VLC, MPC, BDSup2Sub, etc.). Anyone know of anything?