LG flashed to LibreDrive no longer recognize BluRay - Orig. Firmware lost

[kapqa]

thank you, willprobably chekc for a slimline Verbatim first, since have already been advised to do so<
could come in handy , since had already need for portable drives /my first laptop also got an external cdr burner-drive from freecom, even with battery pack, around year 2000. should still function. never had such issues with media in the past. remember fondly Kodak CD-R, that used just to function so well.

do however disagree that HDD backup are more safe than optical media/
would consider optical media more likely to survice EMP blast or high emissions ccoronal ejections /
then maybe can get finally better media soon that are more scratch-resistant altogether.

[kapqa]

Another question>

besides media quality and UHD capability, is there a difference if i would burn a Bluray Disc with a Pioneer or with an LG say WH16NS58DUP>

would the quality of the final product rendered by Pioneer drive be more likely to endure over time? or woudl that solely depend on the quality and handlinng of the Bluray Media?

have read that Pioneer drive have some features that other drives do not have, like stabilitzation etc. dont know if this would enhance much the final disc<

most probably it more depends on the disc media itself or am i mistaken)_?
there seem not be many producer of bluray or even cdr/dvd media. the media got bought is form Sony Corp. but most media on sale here is just from Verbatim.
sony might even not produce any longer Bluray since have abandoned already at least so it stated the mini-disc which is a bit pity.

[Coopervid]

Lol! EMP. Nuclear blasts! Optical media is so bad these days that even just burned discs are of so bad quality that it doesn‘t need anything to make them worse as they are as is. Flash to WH16NS58 V1.5 and do quality checks with qpxtools. You will be shocked how bad the quality is especially 50GB discs. 25GB discs are still OK but if you want to burn UHD backups you would need to compress them significantly.

[VA1DER]

besides media quality and UHD capability, is there a difference if i would burn a Bluray Disc with a Pioneer or with an LG say WH16NS58DUP>

A lot does depend on media as you go on to surmise, but yes, Pioneers are generally the undisputed burn quality champions. Longevity is a complex topic, and even with a great burner there are lots of variables with media substrate (organic, inorganic, MABL, glass). There was (still is to an extent) a whole optical disc enthusiast scene that was right into what the best/fastest media codes were. Dr. Gough's blog has some good articles on it now. See his BDXL series for a more recent revival of media tests and scanning, and his take on a Pioneer BDR-X13JBK. He probably owns more optical drives than anyone on the planet, and he speaks throughout his writings of Pioneer being the best of the best for burn quality. My more limited experience suggests the same.

[kapqa]

thanks , this thread turned out mor e interesting than previously could have thought.

Really liked toh Kodak, maybe they can make a comeback one day with some gold-laced media

@Cioopermedia , well thanks, aren't we all bit paranoid some day or the other , lest the bugs bite?

so this special Firmware then is just another firmware and supposedly could be used for NS40, NS55, NS60 or even ASUS drive, and it wont damage the drive easily as the MK3 "all-in-one" "could" have done to the CH12NS40? the WH16NS58DUP drive it self is also available, but only as an import, for around 180 Euro, whereas WS16NS40 is available for 80 Euro.

Not that i am in the mood for scanning the media all the time to see how the burning process went; id rather buy a good set of media and be done with it;
but i#d good to have tools to check rather than don't and with the CD found out that newer blanks don't really last that long, or maybe we just don't get the pearls on Europe market anymore.

Well, CD are more more for making backup of Audio CD anyway theese days.

but these Pioneer Drive seem to have a lot of features that other drive makes don't advertise; so let's hope that the new company that will be selling these can get them more easily available for buy.

https://pioneer-blurayodd.eu/products/b ... /index.php

seems that the above firmware software is similar to what Pioneer is offering up as

Audio CD checking function(for windows)?


Thank you again and Happy.

[Coopervid]

thanks , this thread turned out mor e interesting than previously could have thought.

Really liked toh Kodak, maybe they can make a comeback one day with some gold-laced media

@Cioopermedia , well thanks, aren't we all bit paranoid some day or the other , lest the bugs bite?

so this special Firmware then is just another firmware and supposedly could be used for NS40, NS55, NS60 or even ASUS drive, and it wont damage the drive easily as the MK3 "all-in-one" "could" have done to the CH12NS40? the WH16NS58DUP drive it self is also available, but only as an import, for around 180 Euro, whereas WS16NS40 is available for 80 Euro.

Not that i am in the mood for scanning the media all the time to see how the burning process went; id rather buy a good set of media and be done with it;
but i#d good to have tools to check rather than don't and with the CD found out that newer blanks don't really last that long, or maybe we just don't get the pearls on Europe market anymore.

Well, CD are more more for making backup of Audio CD anyway theese days.

but these Pioneer Drive seem to have a lot of features that other drive makes don't advertise; so let's hope that the new company that will be selling these can get them more easily available for buy.

https://pioneer-blurayodd.eu/products/b ... /index.php

seems that the above firmware software is similar to what Pioneer is offering up as

Audio CD checking function(for windows)?


Thank you again and Happy.

You are a rookie and so some comments seems to be a bit harsh for you. Don't ever make a firmware update from a Pioneer site! And media to burn is just rubbish these days. Most companies got out of that business and what is left is just bad quality and so are your burns. And you can't prove that they are good if you don't scan. I did and the results were really, really bad. Now I leave you with that since you are stubborn and you think all is good burning discs. It's not. Pioneers are the best burners but if the media is bad they can't do anything that makes it good.

[kapqa]

coopervid, i dont take it personally,
but fair enough, we all lack some quality thse days, i agree.

but wahat about those M-DISC then?
do we get nowhere near the 1000-year disc-mark then with those?

could say i would be disappointed, but am not.

[VA1DER]

but wahat about those M-DISC then?
do we get nowhere near the 1000-year disc-mark then with those?

M-Discs are complicated by the fact that not all M-Discs are M-Discs.

For actual M-Discs, yes, there is good evidence their doped SiO2 recording layer could be stable for centuries. That said, the polycarbonate substrate is still a weak point, and they would have to be kept under VERY controlled conditions to reach those time frames and still be readable. If repeated cooling and warming cycles warp or stretch the substrate, it doesn't matter how permanent the recording layer is. But yes, they are good discs. Very good. I would not burn one on anything but a Pioneer though.

The problem with M- Discs is Millenniata went bankrupt. When it was sold, the gaining party sold the M-Disc naming rights along with a license to make them, but didn't notice the contract omitted the requirement for M-Disc labelled discs to actually be the M-Disc technology. So Verbatim started simply shipping their standard MABL (Metal Ablative) recording layer tech discs with M-Disc labeling. There is no evidence their higher priced M-Discs are anything other than their standard BD-R, including carrying the same media code.

The only TRUE M-Disc BD-Rs available are Ritek's.

[Coopervid]

coopervid, i dont take it personally,
but fair enough, we all lack some quality thse days, i agree.

but wahat about those M-DISC then?
do we get nowhere near the 1000-year disc-mark then with those?

could say i would be disappointed, but am not.

Verbatim 50 GB discs Made in Japan were the best. Now production has been moved to Taiwan and those are bad. Some Ritek 50 GBs are still kind of OK. I have never burned and scanned M-DISC as those are far too expensive. To get your own picture: Burn them with a Pioneer drive. The scan with a LG flashed to WH16NS58. I'm also interested in the results. And as longevity is concerned M-DISC might be better but if the scan is result after a fresh burn is bad you should think twice. Long life of the disc doesn't help if you have bad initial burns in the first place. Somehow you seem to assume that these disc will perform perfectly burning them but this is not the case. It always depends on the burner with a good burning strategy and also on the disc quality. And disc quality has gone south since this is a rapidly shrinking market.