Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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gumajatsu
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Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#1 Post by gumajatsu » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:05 pm

Hello everyone.

I have an old LG BH16NS40 drive, manufactured in 2014. It currently has FW1.00. I know it will never be UHD friendly and i don't intend to update it with FW from the guide available here, but i have an issue with a blu-ray i own. Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly. I tried three different backup softwares, including makemkv, but everytime i start the BDMV folder in VLC, i get the same message without the blu-ray actually starting. If i choose to skip menus in VLC the movie starts, but obviously i can not access the menu this way.
Is this an issue with the disc, do i need to update my drives FW or do i actually need a newer drive? I'm lost...

Greetings gumajatsu

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#2 Post by dcoke22 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:16 pm

Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption? If so, eventually MakeMKV will support it.

If you got another drive that supported LibreDrive, you could play it now.

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#3 Post by MrPenguin » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 pm

gumajatsu wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:05 pm
Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly.
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#4 Post by gumajatsu » Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm

dcoke22 wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:16 pm
Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption?
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection. Sadly i don't have another drive at the moment.
MrPenguin wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 pm
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?
Can't find a TGZ dump file in the MAKEMKV folder. I will try to back it up again with "log debug messages" enabled once i'm back from vacation in a few days and post it here.

This is a screenshot of VLC player when i try to start the disc.

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#5 Post by MrPenguin » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm

gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection.
Have you installed the support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.

I don't have many disks with BD+, but I have still been able to play them in VLC.

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#6 Post by gumajatsu » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:17 pm

MrPenguin wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm
Have you installed the support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#7 Post by MrPenguin » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:23 pm

gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:17 pm
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.
Are there BD+ tables for your particular disk? I still don't know which disk we are talking about here.

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#8 Post by gumajatsu » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:58 pm

Sorry, should have included it in the original post: The A Team

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#9 Post by MrPenguin » Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:07 pm

gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:58 pm
Sorry, should have included it in the original post: The A Team
libbdplus does have some tables for "The A Team", although I cannot tell if they match your particular disk without also knowing your disk's MK and Unit Key. Could you make your disk's AACS/Unit_Key_RO.inf and AACS/MKB_RO.inf files available please? Either as attachments, or by providing a download link?

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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

#10 Post by gumajatsu » Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:22 pm

I will do that as soon as i can, probably on monday. Thanks for looking into it!

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