Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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yes, these test files will check every single trims metadata (positive lift offset included)

did you see my reply about test file 1? you might want to download it again
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:24 pm
did you see my reply about test file 1? you might want to download it again
ok I retested the 1st file. I saw brightness change in everything except chroma weight, saturation gain & ms weight. Same for the 2nd file.
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ok then another difference is the offset trim test steps file has a 100 and 600nits trims while the other test files have 100-600-1000.

So please also try this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PLh6lz ... drive_link
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:55 pm
ok then another difference is the offset trim test steps file has a 100 and 600nits trims while the other test files have 100-600-1000.

So please also try this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PLh6lz ... drive_link
No brightness change in everything.
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ok then it means that your TV needs a 1000nits trim otherwise the trims are ignored if the RPU MDL is 1000nits.
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:15 pm
ok then it means that your TV needs a 1000nits trim otherwise the trims are ignored if the RPU MDL is 1000nits.
Do majority of movies have this?
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a 1000nits movie, they do if they were authored in a cmv4.0 workflow but the values are usually so low that it shouldn't have any major effect.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/fold ... KFJwFxnDt-


For the trim saturation and chroma Weight, they should work.

Trim saturation: affect the color saturation only, not the brightness
CW: brighten or darken the most saturated part of the image

so look at the saturated part of the image.
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and BTW, you can test the trims response of any movie now with the latest dovi_scripts beta: https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=958

I already did over 900 movies here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... dMiy2ka0mf
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deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:06 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:55 pm
ok then another difference is the offset trim test steps file has a 100 and 600nits trims while the other test files have 100-600-1000.

So please also try this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PLh6lz ... drive_link
No brightness change in everything.
btw I have the same behavior on LG G4 internal player as @deadchip12 in all the tests you were talking about.
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powdeau wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:47 pm
deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:06 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:55 pm
ok then another difference is the offset trim test steps file has a 100 and 600nits trims while the other test files have 100-600-1000.

So please also try this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PLh6lz ... drive_link
No brightness change in everything.
btw I have the same behavior on LG G4 internal player as @deadchip12 in all the tests you were talking about.
Wait you also see no brightness change with the original positive lift P5 steps (offset L2) test file? I just tested it on my C9 and I could see the brightness change so it's surprising to know it's different on the G4.
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The C9 has a 600nits target (under 1000nits). The G4 has a target surely over 1000nits like the A95.

I tested on my 2000nits Hisense TV and the trims work even if there's no 1000nits trim... I have no idea whats its target but since its capable of 900nits (at 100%) and 2000nits (25%) it must have a target higher than 1000nits.
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deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:59 pm
powdeau wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:47 pm
deadchip12 wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:06 pm

No brightness change in everything.
btw I have the same behavior on LG G4 internal player as @deadchip12 in all the tests you were talking about.
Wait you also see no brightness change with the original positive lift P5 steps (offset L2) test file? I just tested it on my C9 and I could see the brightness change so it's surprising to know it's different on the G4.
That's right.

@RESET_9999 how bad is it for watching real content?
Also, do you have a similar test where there are blank 1000nits trims, so I know it's not a bug caused by omitting those trims?
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yes, I have some files with blank and active trims and I already did some tests about it.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/fold ... JnvY8naE0X

On the C2:
100nits alone = extrapolated and trim are active
if the 600nits trim is blank then the 100nits trim is ignored regardless of the values
if there's a 1000nits blank trim, then the effect of the 100nits trim is considerably reduced but it still has an effect.

On a 400nits monitor:
100nits trim has an effect when there's a blank 600nits (because the display target is lower than the trim target)

So I expect the G4 to ignore the trims if 1000nits is blank. Having a blank trim is useful when the colorist want to be more aggressive on the 100trims without affecting the tone mapping of the other targets.

It's probably intended and it makes sense. The trims purpose is to adjust the tone mapping of low target nits display (100-1000) when the colorist is not satisfied with the default mapping(L1 only).
In the case of a 1000-nit grade movie, your TV is capable of displaying the content without tone mapping so it makes sense to ignore the 100-600nits or 100nits-only interpolation.
The colorist shouldn't be lifting the brightness higher than the master through the 100 or 600 trims in the first place. A lot of movies have trims done like that though.
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quietvoid wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:44 am
nekno wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:30 am
So, not clear on why it mattered for HDR10+ -> DV generation.
HDR10+ does have scene length, start indices. See https://github.com/quietvoid/dovi_tool/ ... 87b715344f
Yeah, saw your patch there, thanks. What problem is it solving if the output RPU doesn't include the frame indices, and therefore doesn't care whether the shots start at 0 or at 86400 as long as the numbers are sequential?
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@RESET_9999

CPM also mentions ''meta level 6'' which defaults to N. Should we also enable this manually (like level 5)??
What do you recommend please?

Also since activating L5 on my LG OLED G1 I have problems viewing content below the picture. Everything seems to get stuck under the lowest black bar now. Part of the buttons when you pause the video are now stuck under the lowest black bar, same for subtitles. Any suggestions how to fix this? Same for the top bar, Dolby logos get partly stuck beneath it also. Only showing part of the Dolby logo that way.
How to fix this? Can you help me?
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