Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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skull88
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:21 pm
skull88 wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:01 pm Most movies run fast for me entire run, even when using my PC, as long as I leave CM window open/foreground. Some slow down no matter what I do.
yeah Windows 10 seem more stable with CM. On my Win11 I just cant touch my PC. Even browsing the web on firefox will slow down the analysis.
I doubt the problem is the prores file since the same file works at full speed in resolve. The script use a very old version of ffmpeg though(because of the audio 5.0 bug) so It might worth testing with the latest ffmpeg.
Ah, interesting. I think all the files I have done proRes conversion independently first in Staxrip using ffmpeg newer version have not slowed down in cm, so you could be onto something? I might do that now anyway and will report if I get another video that slows down reliably and can try to send sample to compare. Cheers.
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Source - Prometheus.2012.COMPLETE.UHD.BLURAY

Script Used - DoVi_Scripts_1.9.2.6.beta_MKV
Comparison - https://slow.pics/c/ls8wBmji

Image 1 = CM Analyze Latest - 7 hours (Left it overnight without interference)
Image 2 =1080p Cubic Scaling (DaVinci) - 30min
(Ryzen 5 3600, GTX 1660ti Win10)

I tested the 1080p Cubic scaling DV and CM analyze DV on my TV (Sony 65X80K), and I couldn't personally tell any difference for this particular movie.
Also, 3-1 clipped that 600nit highlight (between 10,000-20,000frame) to 400nit which isn't really helpful?

I will be testing with Expendables 2010 which has higher overall brightness. Will update.

Still not able to see the benefit of 3-1. Genuine doubt.
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thirdmoon wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:24 am Source - Prometheus.2012.COMPLETE.UHD.BLURAY

Script Used - DoVi_Scripts_1.9.2.6.beta_MKV
Comparison - https://slow.pics/c/ls8wBmji

Image 1 = CM Analyze Latest - 7 hours (Left it overnight without interference)
Image 2 =1080p Cubic Scaling (DaVinci) - 30min
(Ryzen 5 3600, GTX 1660ti Win10)

I tested the 1080p Cubic scaling DV and CM analyze DV on my TV (Sony 65X80K), and I couldn't personally tell any difference for this particular movie.
Also, 3-1 clipped that 600nit highlight (between 10,000-20,000frame) to 400nit which isn't really helpful?

I will be testing with Expendables 2010 which has higher overall brightness. Will update.

Still not able to see the benefit of 3-1. Genuine doubt.
CM_Analyse with L1 tuning is the latest version of the Dolby Algo which evolved a lot since Dolby was created. It went from fully dynamic with very aggressive/higher L1 values to lower & less dynamic metadata(10nits/1000nits floor). I wonder if they did that because of the complaints you often hear about DV being darker than HDR10.

With dark movies like Expendables and Prometheus, the difference is small. You'll notice a more significant difference with a brighter movie like in the example below.

Higher L1 means:
- more tone mapping, less clipping, darker image compared to HDR10
Lower L1 means:
-less tone mapping, *more clipping, brighter image closer to HDR10
* more clipping only if your TV is not capable of displaying the actual brightness. Basically, it just means that the image is displayed with less tone mapping, similar to static HDR10.

And here's a direct comparison using my x800m2 and an HDMI capture card:
PQ: https://slow.pics/c/vnEnoTiU
Plot: https://slow.pics/c/3QzuYren

the main benefit of CM:
- you can use official studios scene cuts.
- latest/best version of the Dolby algo
- Black metadata improved
- No need to use some strange resolve settings (1080p cubic)
- CLI tool. can be scripted/batch mode.

Not sure why it's still slow even when you don't touch your PC because I did 5 movies last night in batch mode with workflow (3-2) and some movie does indeed take more time but nothing close to your 7h
These time results include: Prores conversion, CM analyse, demuxing, Injection and mixing.

Image

first movie took about 1h30 to process
2nd 1h20
3rd : took 3h
4th: took 2h
5th: took 1h20
Last edited by RESET_9999 on Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Thanks for the clarification @RESET_9999

I will test some brighter movies. Also will test the force CPU function, I think that might make a difference.
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it slow down with the CPU too and overall, much slower than using the GPU cuda
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Amused wrote: Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:02 am I have the Philips HDMI Sync Box between the tv and both players (Sony and Zidoo). The Sync Box synchronizes the lights of different Philips hue products to the image on the screen.

The Sync Box works with Dolby Vision only if it’s player-led (LLDV). It doesn’t work with TV-led Dolby Vision, unless I switch on the “Dolby Vision Enhanced compatibility” option inside the Sync Box settings. This option basically forces the player to switch to LLDV and then the lights work. So if the Hue lights sync without the DV enhanced compatibility option checked - it’s player-led DV. If they don’t work - it’s TV-led DV.
Hello,
Can you explain me (step by step) how you connect each device with the other one?
I wish to make a sync hue lights also.
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@RESET_9999

I'm happy to see you're taking donations. Thank you for taking the time to consistently update your script.

To anyone who is looking for the link, it's in the TOOLS_README doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JQF ... p=drivesdk
More reasons to collect physical media. Ugoos AM6B+ CE p3i PM4K.
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:D :D
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I'm trying to get a brightness plot of this:
HDR format :
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.07, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
I've used various versions of Dovi Scripts with various errors.

Is it not possible to plot Profile 8 Level 7 DV? I do not see Level 7 in DoVi_Scripts_1.9.2_MKV workflow 6-2-3/4/5.

Any guidance to plot said DV would be great.

Also, where would the plots be stored? In the same folder as the source MKV/MP4 or?

Thanks!
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Trees wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:45 pm I'm trying to get a brightness plot of this:
HDR format :
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.07, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
I've used various versions of Dovi Scripts with various errors.

Is it not possible to plot Profile 8 Level 7 DV? I do not see Level 7 in DoVi_Scripts_1.9.2_MKV workflow 6-2-3/4/5.

Any guidance to plot said DV would be great.

Also, where would the plots be stored? In the same folder as the source MKV/MP4 or?

Thanks!
6-2-3 can plot any dv file.
It sounds like you're missing tools (check your pm). The default output path is the dovi_script folder so the graph picture will be in there.
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RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 3:31 pm
Trees wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 2:45 pm I'm trying to get a brightness plot of this:
HDR format :
Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.07, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
I've used various versions of Dovi Scripts with various errors.

Is it not possible to plot Profile 8 Level 7 DV? I do not see Level 7 in DoVi_Scripts_1.9.2_MKV workflow 6-2-3/4/5.

Any guidance to plot said DV would be great.

Also, where would the plots be stored? In the same folder as the source MKV/MP4 or?

Thanks!
6-2-3 can plot any dv file.
It sounds like you're missing tools (check your pm). The default output path is the dovi_script folder so the graph picture will be in there.
Thank you ever so much! it worked straight away!

Quick question:

Why isn't converting HDR10+ to Dolby Vision not recommended? Is this because the Dolby Algorithm is just better or are there other reasons?
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Trees wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:01 pm Why isn't converting HDR10+ to Dolby Vision not recommended? Is this because the Dolby Algorithm is just better or are there other reasons?
Because you can now supply an HDR10+ file to the 3-1 process which will provide you with a Dolby Vision file using Dolby's latest algorithm and the original HDR10+ scene cuts, which is better.
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Trees wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:01 pm Why isn't converting HDR10+ to Dolby Vision not recommended? Is this because the Dolby Algorithm is just better or are there other reasons?
The main reason is the average pq metadata, Dolby Vision is very different.
HDR10plus and madvr generation have very dynamic avg_pq numbers compared to DV which can cause some brightness fluctuation between shots.

https://slow.pics/c/WlGwchoE
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EncodeThis420 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:43 pm
bobbymkV wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:05 pm
EncodeThis420 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:08 pm

Thanks. This is kind of what I was afraid of. There's really no way (for a normal person like myself) to tell whether a "hybrid" encode was done properly. I'm basically seeing ONLY hybrid files for all new streaming shows being encoded. These encoders are not posting the original profile 5 sources which is absolutely infuriating. I rather just grab P5 versions so that I know that it has the correct brightness. Why in the world are people not doing this? What changed? Is there any possible way to like "reverse engineer" these files to split back out the p5 stream? or is that impossible?
I stopped grabbing p8 hybrids earlier this year when I learned all of this. There is really only one uploader that I trust.
Is there any way that you could share which uploader you trust? Not sure of the rules here or if you can even send private messages. Feel free to decline if I am crossing a line.

But yea. I just don't understand it.....uploaders who used to upload source P5 materials just randomly all switched to uploading P8 files. I have no idea what happened. I legit cannot find any P5 files of recent streamed shows. They're literally all P8 lol. If they know that P8 files are bad form....then why do they keep doing it?
Most dv release groups I know stop releasing P5. There's a Chinese group still releases itunes P5, but I don't know if they were the original uploader or they just modified someone else. And I'm also looking for more trusted release group, their releases sometimes just broke, frame rate slightly off, etc.
Indiana.Jones.and.the.Dial.of.Destiny.2023.2160p.iTunes.WEB-DL.DDP.7.1.Atmos.DV.H.265-DreamHD
I really hope groups could upload P5 and P8.1 separately, instead of just hybrid them. I think with the increase of brightness in screen panel, brightness mapping in RPU is becoming less important. The 11.5 bit color of P5 and 4:2:2 sampling of P7 seems more beneficial.
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@RESET_9999

1. What is the best alternative for watching FEL content on non FEL supported devices.
2. Is it possible to generate HDR10+ plus data using official scene cuts.

Thank you.
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