Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[hepe9]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

[Manixx2020beyound]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

There is no way that HDR10 would look better than LLDV which is much closer to or = to dv rgb8.
That would not make sense.
LLDV image is always brighter,sharper & cleaner than a hdr10 image.
We can do a bunch of hdr10/LLDV comparisons, to prove that.
98% of LLDV test captures always looks better than the HDR10.

[hepe9]

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

There is no way that HDR10 would look better than LLDV which is much closer to or = to dv rgb8.
That would not make sense.
LLDV image is always brighter,sharper & cleaner than a hdr10 image.
We can do a bunch of hdr10/LLDV comparisons, to prove that.
98% of LLDV test captures always looks better than the HDR10.

Thanks for the answer, I said that because @RESET_9999 said it.

[RESET_9999]

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

I know... and that's why I said I never really compared LLDV because I have issues forcing it with my first gen vertex on my TV-LED setup.

Thanks for the answer, I said that because @RESET_9999 said it.

i never said that.. i just posted a link of someone saying that.
And I was replying to someone saying that there was no difference between player-led and tv-led.

But now the fact that Stacey Spear is considering stripping out DV from the dolby bluray is very concerning and why would he need Envy or lumagen to do that, it doesn't really make sense to me.

[RESET_9999]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Well, I'll get my ugoos next week (probably) and I will surely compare it to my x700 and shield and share my impression...
I don't have the expensive Atomos Shogun that @manix has though.

[Manixx2020beyound]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Well, I'll get my ugoos next week (probably) and I will surely compare it to my x700 and shield and share my impression...
I don't have the expensive Atomos Shogun that @manix has though.

About 3 year’s ago I realized that the Xbox LLDV could be captured so I started looking for ways to get the better picture it is a fact the all streaming services playback both type of file hdr & dv version & the dv
version has always been better quality than hdr10 @ reset999 could attest to that
Same should apply to uhd Blu-ray’s dv version of the move & hdr10 version.
We are looking for the perfect combination device Mel/fel/streaming/uhd/iso.
& of course top notch audio lol

Just for fun I’ll do hdr10 captures off wonder vision as well all 6 devices so we can compare to the LLDV we got from all six devices

[bobbymkV]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Wow, that is quite the request that someone buys all 3 machines and a reference grade camera or capture device just to provide a few screen shots.
Is there a particular brand of TV you would like this test performing on?

Panasonic GZ2000 lol

[hepe9]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Well, I'll get my ugoos next week (probably) and I will surely compare it to my x700 and shield and share my impression...
I don't have the expensive Atomos Shogun that @manix has though.

About 3 year’s ago I realized that the Xbox LLDV could be captured so I started looking for ways to get the better picture it is a fact the all streaming services playback both type of file hdr & dv version & the dv
version has always been better quality than hdr10 @ reset999 could attest to that
Same should apply to uhd Blu-ray’s dv version of the move & hdr10 version.
We are looking for the perfect combination device Mel/fel/streaming/uhd/iso.
& of course top notch audio lol

Just for fun I’ll do hdr10 captures off wonder vision as well all 6 devices so we can compare to the LLDV we got from all six devices

If you could do it with a bd it would be awesome, because Stacey Spears says dv sucks in bd, but he didn't say anything about the streaming

And it would also be nice to see the quality of the chromecast

[lexyz]

There is no way that HDR10 would look better than LLDV which is much closer to or = to dv rgb8.
That would not make sense.
LLDV image is always brighter,sharper & cleaner than a hdr10 image.
We can do a bunch of hdr10/LLDV comparisons, to prove that.
98% of LLDV test captures always looks better than the HDR10.

It really depends on TV
By my observations in most cases Bravia XF90's HDR10 brighter than LLDV, not much but noticable
Like here https://slow.pics/c/5VaKhnAe
or here https://slow.pics/c/O4Yq9pCJ

But now the fact that Stacey Spear is considering stripping out DV from the dolby bluray is very concerning and why would he need Envy or lumagen to do that, it doesn't really make sense to me.

Thing is, the issues Mr. Spears mentioned are important for video purists like himself.
Chroma ringing? Low quility 4:2:2-to-4:4:4 upsamling? Not accurate PQ tracking? Minor artefacts in LLDV mode?
Most people can't see a difference but they can clearly see a difference in HDR on low-nit TV with inadequate tonemapping versus DV on very same TV
DV wins, case closed.
4 years of DV UHD and now people are talking about DV bugs with only two major UHD players manufacturers left on the market.
Still fully support any bug-hunt and pressure on Dolby. They have to fix this mess.

[RESET_9999]

The AppleTV also does an amazing job with DolbyVision/LLDV.

I have to disagree with you here. I really hate my AppleTV, it's full of issues (DV, HDR10, and SDR).

Streaming profile 5 playback comparisons:
*we played the WandaVision P5 DV WEB-DL on all the devices and captured the LLDV PQ stream with the Atomos Shogun.

x700 Vs Dune:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11843
x700 vs Shield:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11844
x700 vs AppleTV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11847
x700 vs Chromecast:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11845
x700 vs FirestickTV: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11852
all the devices in one comparison: https://slow.pics/c/ek6zSHqX

No major problem with single layer profile 5 DV from streaming services on all the devices tested.
Only the AppleTV is not 100% accurate: slightly brighter than the other devices but that doesn't surprise me: this device is a mess.
SDR colors are off , the DV to HDR10 conversion is wayyyy off (fixed for itunes/vudu/MA but not for Netflix).
in fact, only pure HDR10 stream is accurate on the appleTV. They also ignore the real HDR metadata which is a problem for TV that use the metadata(LG TVs) for tonemapping (they send maxcll/fall 4000/1000 for everything on plex)...
plus no profile 8 support, no lossless audio support and no 24fps support for years (fixed in firmware 14.5 beta though) I really cant wait til iTunes is available on the Shield so I can get rid of this crappy device.

As always, THANK YOU @manixx for the shogun samples.

[quietvoid]

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).

I'm doubtful that your Dolby Vision experience is flawless, me and many others have noted crushed as well as elevated blacks on the C8 regardless of the input source.

Here's the test pattern: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/spears ... t-59634582
It's FEL so you can compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

Spears is right on the madVR Envy, it is being tuned very well to look better than Dolby Vision for tonemapping.
No doubt HDR10 with proper tonemapping would look as good, if not better.

Dolby surely has made a huge mess out of this "standardizing HDR playback" idea.

[RESET_9999]

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).

I'm doubtful that your Dolby Vision experience is flawless, me and many others have noted crushed as well as elevated blacks on the C8 regardless of the input source.

Spears is right on the madVR Envy, it is being tuned very well to look better than Dolby Vision for tonemapping.
No doubt HDR10 with proper tonemapping would look as good, if not better.

Dolby surely has made a huge mess out of this "standardizing HDR playback" idea.

flawless ?? I never said that about anything I posted here lol ...

AFAIK = as far as I know

[quietvoid]

flawless ?? I never said that about anything I posted here lol ...

AFAIK = as far as I know

Right, but I wouldn't personally consider bad shadows a good experience even if it's brighter
At least that's what I've noticed. HDR is supposed to have good lower range as well, which isn't the case with Dolby Vision on these TV sets.

I've edited the test pattern in the post a little late, here it is again:

Here's the test pattern: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/spears ... t-59634582
It's FEL so you can compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

[RESET_9999]

I've edited the test pattern in the post a little late, here it is again:

Here's the test pattern: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/spears ... t-59634582
It's FEL so you can compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

thanks!

[yossSP]

Hi everyone, days ago I send a query to Chromecast support team asking if the Chromecast with Google TV supports TV-LED or LLDV processing.

After a typical initial useless answer and my reply, they derived the question to some people they named "Level 2 technicians" who answered me that the new Chromecast support both TV-LED and LLDV, being LLDV the default processing.

I don't now if this have been changed in the last february firmware update, but as I noticed before, I observe an excelent playback quality in Dolby Vision mode in my Panasonic HZ1000, with good colour management and not dimmed image. Besides I checked that my TV uses the light sensor when demanded, which shouldn't be possible in LLDV.

So, when could it be an updated review Manixx?