Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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userr
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lexyz wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:25 am But if you have a Sony Bravia TV with LLDV there is a dilemma :D :
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors
- Play it on Shield TV Pro with richer but inaccurate colors (red push) and without EL
- Play it on any device as HDR10 version with proper colors.

I suggest Bravia owners like myself drop DV playback for UHD BR.
Bravias doesn't aggressively tonemap HDR and usually good in tracking PQ curve. So picture is quite close to creators intend for HDR version.

DV in streaming apps is a different story.
i dont understand what you mean with
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors

even with bravia tv, playing a UHD with for example oppo in player-led, isnt the picture as good as for example LG (using player-led with oppo)
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There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)
Bravia XF90, Shield TV Pro'19, UBP-X700
userr
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lexyz wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:27 am There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)
i understand that.
what im saying is that, using player-led with an oppo for example, still makes use of dual-layer/single-layer-makemkv-files profile7, its just not "the best" as tv-led
Vault
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shawnc22 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:03 am The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.
Thank you for the precise feedback. Appreciated.
Hoping for a better option/MKV update in the future.

And btw : wishing everyone a great new year's eve :wink:
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shawnc22 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:03 am
Vault wrote: Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:46 pm Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare :mrgreen:
The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.
I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).
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magnetoeric wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:42 pm I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).
I have been watching DV with FEL on my X700 in m2ts/ts via a tsMuxer mux from a full bluray rip for a while now.
Sony X700 -> Onkyo TX-RZ830 -> LG C8
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shawnc22 wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:03 am ...
The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.
Out of curiosety, I ripped Aquaman and created an mkv with 1.15.4 (single track double layer?, MEL) and tried Aquaman on my "virgin" 203 (via USB), it came up as HDR10. Not sure if the Oppo requires a JB to play DV mkv or if that's supported at all.

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ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration                                 : 2 h 23 min
Bit rate                                 : 54.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.276
Stream size                              : 54.9 GiB (87%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1506 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 459 cd/m2
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray
[Oppo UDP-203, ATV 4K] —> Anthem MRX-720 —> LG OLED65E7P
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magnetoeric wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:42 pm I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).
It can but with a Fast Ethernet port and only 2.4 WiFI I think the X800M2 (has 5ghz WiFi) is a better option. I just got the X800M2 and my AP usually shows me connected at 300mbps which is 150+mbps in reality in my environment and after 6+ DV movies I've yet to see an issue. Also, keep in mind that the X700/800M2 uses DLNA instead of SMB/NFS.
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aboulfad wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:25 am Out of curiosety, I ripped Aquaman and created an mkv with 1.15.4 (single track double layer?, MEL) and tried Aquaman on my "virgin" 203 (via USB), it came up as HDR10. Not sure if the Oppo requires a JB to play DV mkv or if that's supported at all.
m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...
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glc650 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:44 am m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...
Thx, I'll try that next: Movie name -> BDMV folder ? too bad Oppo's media browser is so outdated.
[Oppo UDP-203, ATV 4K] —> Anthem MRX-720 —> LG OLED65E7P
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aboulfad wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:46 am
glc650 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:44 am m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...
Thx, I'll try that next: Movie name -> BDMV folder ? too bad Oppo's media browser is so outdated.
movie name > AVCHD > BDMV
https://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203 ... hd-backups
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glc650 wrote: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:04 am movie name > AVCHD > BDMV
https://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203 ... hd-backups
Thx for the link, for USB no AVCHD was required and I needed the other folders (cert) for the movie to play in its full dvhe.07.06 glory :D its an ok temporary solution as my DV collection is small.
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Here is what I'm doing today to convert from FEL to MEL: (using a 4k disc that is mastered as FEL) (e.g. Sum of All Fears)

1. Using MakeMKV 1.15.4, creating an MKV file with main movie and AC3 (e.g. english 5.1) audio of my choosing. "Sum of All Fears.MKV"
2. Making a backup of the same disc. After backup is done, find the .m2ts file representing the main movie. (00067.m2ts)
3. ffmpeg -i path\to\the\00067.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:0 -c copy path\to\00067.m2ts.BL.hevc
4. ffmpeg -i path\to\the\00067.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:1 -c copy path\to\00067.m2ts.EL.hevc
5. Create my BL_EL_RPU.hevc file by running MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat, specify path\to\00067.m2ts.BL.hevc as my base profile and path\to\00067.m2ts.EL.hevc as my enhanced profile.
6. Open TsMuxeR, add BL_EL_RPU.hevc as my first file, and add "Sum of All Fears.MKV" as my second file. I then create my .ts file (e.g. BL_EL_RPU.ts), delete the old "Sum of All Fears.MKV" file, and rename the BL_EL_RPU.ts file to "Sum of All Fears.MKV"
7. That's it.

I copy the new "Sum of All Fears.MKV" to my plex server, open the Amazon Firestick 4k on my Sony Bravia A8H tv, and watch it. I not only see the movie but have DV picture control options available. I could not see the movie before (just a blank screen) this FEL to MEL conversion.
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Question regarding the Sony X700 and profile 7 playback from file.

What version of tsmuxer nigthly do you use at present?

is it normal for mediainfo to indicate a -4200ms delay on all tracks (tsmuxer 20/09/2020)?
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To clarify last post, with eac3to it indicates the delay in all tracks, with previous versions of tsmuxer it was not seen
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