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Drive Read Speed Comparison now moved to my seller page.

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Drive Speed Comparison now on my sellers page.


https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 20&t=19387
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison (Asmcom)

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Hello Mike,

I have added your comparison request for the ASUS BC-12D2HT Cross-Flashed to BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10mk vs Original ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10mk. Sorry it took a while.

Please note that the Cross-Flash does not burn / Write BD discs. There is absolutely no problems reading discs.

Asmcom :mrgreen:
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BC-12D2HT CF Added (Asmcom)

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Hello:

Please compare an LG WH16NS40 cross flashed as a LG WH16NS60 (1.00DE) vs an official LG WH16NS60 (1.00DE).

I'm curious how the results would compare with respect to the WH16NS40 "acting" as a WH16NS60 as compared to the "actual" WH16NS40 AND (official) WH16NS60. You've already done the comparison of the WH16NS40 vs WH16NS60. So I'm curious if by doing the cross flash does an owner of a WH16NS40 gain any benefit, hence, basically the same drive for less money?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
A
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BC-12D2HT CF Added (Asmcom)

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Just sold my last official original version this morning.

I have more ordered more, they are very hard to get. I should have stock in 14 days, then I will run your request.

Your request is

Original Badged LG-WH-16NS60 1.00DE
vs
LG-WH-16NS40 Flashed to LG-WH-16NS60 1.00DE.

I would imagine them to be the same as the PCB is the same if I remember right.

Regards

Asmcom

Update, drive should be with me on Tuesday as they have cleared customs.

Have a good day
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BC-12D2HT CF Added (Asmcom)

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WH16NS60 vs. WH16NS40, yes it's 8.0X max vs. 6.0X max, what will the average speed be well your results will vary and depend on a number of factors. The NS 60 is not consistently 25% faster in real life and posting results of one off tests should make it clear that no one is guaranteed those speeds. You try and run a dirty scratched disc you got out of RedBox through your drive it may or may not make it compared to brand new fresh out of the package disc. Important part is to always clean each disc with LCD screen cleaner and microfiber cloth before ripping, give it a fighting chance.

Speeds for UHD Blu Ray rips wil differ from those of standard blu ray rips and DVDs. Why? I'm not sure but I very rarely see a blu ray ripping at the same high speed as a UHD blu ray.

The most useful speed information in my opinion is which drives have top read speed of 8x (ASUS BW-16D1HT, LG WH16NS60).

and those whose max read speed is 6X (everything else unless it's cross flashed: LG slim drives BU40, BU50, WP50NB40, BP60NB10, LG WH16NS40, 14Ns40, 12NU40, ASUS BC-12B1ST, BW-12B1ST, BC-12D1HT. There are more, and your results may vary that's what you need to remember.

What's important to know is a drive that maxes out 8X will not reach 8X and stay there. The ASUS 16X and LG NS60 if you watch may hit 8.0X or even 8.1X and then settle back down to a speed they can keep consistent without errors. Generally this is between 6.8 and 7.4X, and you will only see these speeds when the rip cycle hits the main .m2ts file, the meat of the disc, the ginormous file that's 30, 40, 50GB. Gives the drive time to stretch it's legs and open up.

LG slim drives BU40, BU50 they will consistently hit max speed of 6.0X and stay pegged there for awhile. Take the throttle off they could probably go a lot faster, which would result in them rattling themselves apart prematurely.

In my experience when you cross flash the 8X firmware to a 6X drive you'll get almost speeds as the native fast drives, f course there are other risks with cross flashing that have been discussed.

So if you're really interested in speed, sit there and watch a rip, you'll know when transitions between layers are reached and when new files start as you'll see the speed change, often back to 0 and then the slow ramp upwards. Then deep into a rip when it's in the high 7s and slowly ticking up to 8X, is it going to get there? You watch and watch and then it hits 8.0X and then you're on the bow of the Titanic yelling "I'm the king of the world"! And then it's all downhill from there, much like the Titanic :-)
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BC-12D2HT CF Added (Asmcom)

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aloha wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:55 am
Hello:

Please compare an LG WH16NS40 cross flashed as a LG WH16NS60 (1.00DE) vs an official LG WH16NS60 (1.00DE).

I'm curious how the results would compare with respect to the WH16NS40 "acting" as a WH16NS60 as compared to the "actual" WH16NS40 AND (official) WH16NS60. You've already done the comparison of the WH16NS40 vs WH16NS60. So I'm curious if by doing the cross flash does an owner of a WH16NS40 gain any benefit, hence, basically the same drive for less money?

Thank you in advance.

Regards,
A
I have done your comparison as requested. Quite interesting...

Plenty of these drives in stock :mrgreen:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264709187463

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264715486119

Just saw the Original LG-WH16NS60 on Amazon

£230.00 Sterling (Absolute Madness) and people are buying for no added benefit.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WH16NS60-Inter ... rPXRydWU=

This puts in to perspective what Mike Chen has achieved both with MakeMKV and his firmware modifications.

You are amazing Mike. Well Done :mrgreen:
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BH-16NS40 CF WH16NS60 1.02mk vs Original WH16NS60 1.02mk Added (Asmcom)

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I have a sight condition in which I can see light and color, but I have difficulty with print and use Microsoft Narrator to read. If you could somehow do this in a text format which would allow me to get more detail, I think this could answer the questions I asked in my drive comparison request thread. Thank you.
asmcom wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:58 pm
Hello Everyone,

I have been asked on numerous occasions by potential and current customers similar questions that keep coming up.

What is the best UHD Friendly drive? Or what is the quickest drive?

So, with isolation and time on my hands I thought it would be a good idea to post a topic on drive speed comparisons. I have carried out these comparisons all on a computer with the following specification:

Dell T7920 with Dual Intel Xeon 8168 2.70GHz Processors
256GB DDR4 RAM
P6000 24GB Graphics Card
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

Samsung 970 EVO Plus
All drives tested below, are connected by internal Sata connection.

Over the next few months I will add on to this and post new comparisons. Please feel free to contact me and request a particular drive selection that you would like me to run a comparison between. The first drive comparison I have carried out is a Hitachi LG-WH16NS40 firmware 1.02DE vs Hitachi LG-WH16NS60 firmware 1.00DE


Hitachi LG-WH16NS40 firmware 1.02DE vs Hitachi LG-WH16NS60 firmware 1.00DE


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ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10MK vs ASUS BC-12D2HT firmware 3.11MK


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ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10MK vs Hitachi LG-BHNS55 firmware 1.04MK


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ASUS BC-12D2HT v3.11mk Cross-Flashed to ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10MK vs Original ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10mk


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A disadvantage of the Cross-Flashed BC-12D2HT is that you cannot burn BD discs. However if you are new to ripping movies and you are not worried about being able to burn BD discs, then this is an alternative solution. The ASUS BC-12D2HT is alot cheaper than the original BW-16D1HT. I have had no problems reading discs with this firmware variant.

Conclusion: As a second drive or a cheaper option. The BC-12D2HT Cross-Flashed to a BW-16D1HT might appeal to some.



Requested by Aloha: Hitachi LG-BH16NS40 Cross-Flashed to LG-WH16NS60 1.02mk VS Original LG-WH16NS60 1.02mk Optical Drive.

For avoidance of doubt and clarification. The test below was done with brand new discs, out of the box, as I purchased 5 of each movie title for testing purposes. Each disc was cleaned before testing as new discs sometimes have a layer of film on them. I repeated the test with a second new disc, however the results were the same.

Pictures below of original LG-WH16NS60 on Firmware 1.02mk

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Pictures below of BH-WH16NS40 NS51 Cross Flashed on Firmware to WH-16NS60 1.02mk

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The Comparison: Hitachi LG-BH16NS40 Cross-Flashed to LG-WH16NS60 1.02mk VS Original LG-WH16NS60 1.02mk Optical Drive.
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Different Disc Same Story?
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Conclusion:
You would be better saving your money. I will add second test for this drive shortly as I am amazed myself!!

Coming Soon

ASUS BW-16D1HT firmware 3.10MK vs Hitachi WH-16NS40 firmware 1.04MK
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BH-16NS40 CF WH16NS60 1.02mk vs Original WH16NS60 1.02mk Added (Asmcom)

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Chris Kelly wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:54 am
I have a sight condition in which I can see light and color, but I have difficulty with print and use Microsoft Narrator to read. If you could somehow do this in a text format which would allow me to get more detail, I think this could answer the questions I asked in my drive comparison request thread. Thank you.
asmcom wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:58 pm
Hello Everyone,

I have been asked on numerous occasions by potential and current customers similar questions that keep coming up.

What is the best UHD Friendly drive? Or what is the quickest drive?

So, with isolation and time on my hands I thought it would be a good idea to post a topic on drive speed comparisons. I have carried out these comparisons all on a computer with the following specification:

Dell T7920 with Dual Intel Xeon 8168 2.70GHz Processors
256GB DDR4 RAM
P6000 24GB Graphics Card
Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit

Samsung 970 EVO Plus
All drives tested below, are connected by internal Sata connection.
Hello Chris,

I will be happy to help in whatever I can. I will PM you later today.

Update:
I have made my templates in Photo-Shop. I have done a very large template with large fonts which I have sent to you to see if it will be better and you can read. If this is okay over the next 2 days I will revise all the templates and information in large format.

Asmcom
:mrgreen:
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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BH-16NS40 CF WH16NS60 1.02mk vs Original WH16NS60 1.02mk Added (Asmcom)

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Re: Drive Read Speed Comparison BH-16NS40 CF WH16NS60 1.02mk vs Original WH16NS60 1.02mk Added (Asmcom)

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Please move the post to your sales thread in the drives for sale sub forum. It’s cool to play by the rules.
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