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Manixx2020beyound wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:20 am

staknhalo wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:35 pm

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:17 pm

Also it's complicated to keep it in sync with the BL.

Yeah as I mentioned previously, I have not been able to encode a single BL and mux back in its FEL (or even convert that FEL+then encoded BL to 8 ) without there being RPU sync errors/flashes in the file, somewhere, eventually (not always right at the start nor constant). I've tried x265/ffmpeg/though Staxrip UI/Handbrake/various encode settings multiple times/different rip and mux tools and differing versions of each program/yusesope's or quietvoid's tool - there's always a RPU errors eventually in a FEL title no matter what I do with it if I first encode the BL. MEL titles with encoded BL or 8 converted from 5 RPU + encoded HDR10 BL or HDR10+ to 8 with encoded BL - no problem whatsoever on any of those titles (I think I'm at mid-50s currently for native Dovi UHD titles I've added to Plex). I know others here say they're doing it, but I somehow am just SOL apparently. So any FEL title I just mux together and leave untouched - using external forced subs works fine in Plex so I don't need to worry about burning them in (main reason for encoding, secondary to the space saving aspect) - and being I have the source PGS subs, timing/spelling is accurate and all that jazz for my external subs, no worries.

Still, sucks being defeated

We are not defeated at all, there is a way,
I have just created a flawless copy of power rangers just for this test. FEL is 7gigs on power rangers don’t encode it.
18 gig base layer encode with FEL & RPU
You have to edit the FEL (has the nal unit) in the Rpu to reflect the hevc bl encode and that’s it.
I get no flashes no pixilation perfect alinement. Perfect profile 7 with encoded base layer
Inject the new Rpu into the FEL.
Mux with base layer in ts muxer nightly build & your done.
The hard part is getting a new Rpu.

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:00 pm

They clearly mention supporting Dolby Vision both in MEL and FEL. They also mention using the ‘latest Realtek RTD1619DR’.

Is there a chance they might actually play the full FEL layer instead of just downgrading it to MEL?

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:59 pm

Tested some files on the new FireTV Stick 4K Max.
Still has trouble with HDR10+ ending up with a black screen when Dolby Vision is triggered.

I couldn't get any of the FEL test files to play correctly without the device just blanking out after a couple seconds.
For some reason actual unmodified P7 FEL files work though.

It might be because with the test files, the EL is not synced properly.
Any other untouched file maybe?

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:59 pm

Tested some files on the new FireTV Stick 4K Max.
Still has trouble with HDR10+ ending up with a black screen when Dolby Vision is triggered.

I couldn't get any of the FEL test files to play correctly without the device just blanking out after a couple seconds.
For some reason actual unmodified P7 FEL files work though.

It might be because with the test files, the EL is not synced properly.
Any other untouched file maybe? I tried the ones on AVS and here: viewtopic.php?p=104113#p104113

Otherwise I guess there might be a use for me to make a proper muxer..

RESET_9999 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:23 am

PS, I don't know why you're quiet about it but you should scream out loud that you updated your DV tools to generate DV metadata for ANY HDR10 MOVIE using madVR measurements lol
bye bye HDR10

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:37 am

RESET_9999 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:23 am

PS, I don't know why you're quiet about it but you should scream out loud that you updated your DV tools to generate DV metadata for ANY HDR10 MOVIE using madVR measurements lol
bye bye HDR10

Because I haven't had the chance to test it. Some of madVR's scenes are very small and might cause flashes.

FubbAyH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:16 am

Would you be able to try one of the titles where the FEL is obvious (e.g. Power Rangers or Total Recall) to see if it is being used?

RESET_9999 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:23 am

that's because I did those samples with tsmuxer and it breaks something in the RPU when you split the file. I didn't know about that back then.
As @FubbAyH said, the ending credits of Power Ranger is a better way to verify if FEL is processed.

FubbAyH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:11 am

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:00 pm

They clearly mention supporting Dolby Vision both in MEL and FEL. They also mention using the ‘latest Realtek RTD1619DR’.

Is there a chance they might actually play the full FEL layer instead of just downgrading it to MEL?

I won't get my hopes up. The RTD1619DR is the same chipset that is used in Zidoo's latest generation of devices where it provides support for everything DV except the video data in the FEL (it automatically downgrades to MEL). I guess it's possible that Zappiti have reverse engineered profile 7 to play the full FEL, but since that would be truly unique, I'd expect them to spell that out very explicitly in the marketing if they had done so.

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:38 am

Makes sense. So is the RTD1619DR ‘limited’ or is it capable but just not ‘allowed’ by Dolby to use the full FEL data?

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:12 am

The credits are grey like HDR10, so nothing new.

FubbAyH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:15 am

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:38 am

Makes sense. So is the RTD1619DR ‘limited’ or is it capable but just not ‘allowed’ by Dolby to use the full FEL data?

That's a good question. I don't know if the hardware would be capable of simultaneously decoding the extra HEVC stream with the FEL video, but I think the main problem is that it's not allowed. My understanding is that since profile 7 is only found on UHDBD discs, Dolby will only licence the decoding code to be used in UHDBD players.

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:12 am

The credits are grey like HDR10, so nothing new.

That's a shame, but thank you very much for checking.

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:45 am

FubbAyH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:15 am

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:38 am

Makes sense. So is the RTD1619DR ‘limited’ or is it capable but just not ‘allowed’ by Dolby to use the full FEL data?

That's a good question. I don't know if the hardware would be capable of simultaneously decoding the extra HEVC stream with the FEL video, but I think the main problem is that it's not allowed. My understanding is that since profile 7 is only found on UHDBD discs, Dolby will only licence the decoding code to be used in UHDBD players.

quietvoid wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:12 am

The credits are grey like HDR10, so nothing new.

That's a shame, but thank you very much for checking.

That would make sense. Although, the players aren’t cheap at all (cheapest one of the new ones is $900 USD) so maybe there’s a small chance they were able to include it (they either payed for the license specifically for FEL or they reversed engineered it like you mentioned)?

Still, I definitely don’t disagree with what you said. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it still downgrades FEL to MEL after all. I’ll keep an eye out to see the results once they are released but I’m not getting my hopes up too much.

DaMacFunkin wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:05 am

samlop10 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:45 am

FubbAyH wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:15 am

That's a good question. I don't know if the hardware would be capable of simultaneously decoding the extra HEVC stream with the FEL video, but I think the main problem is that it's not allowed. My understanding is that since profile 7 is only found on UHDBD discs, Dolby will only licence the decoding code to be used in UHDBD players.

That's a shame, but thank you very much for checking.

That would make sense. Although, the players aren’t cheap at all (cheapest one of the new ones is $900 USD) so maybe there’s a small chance they were able to include it (they either payed for the license specifically for FEL or they reversed engineered it like you mentioned)?

Still, I definitely don’t disagree with what you said. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it still downgrades FEL to MEL after all. I’ll keep an eye out to see the results once they are released but I’m not getting my hopes up too much.

Doesn’t have the physical capability to process 2 video streams simultaneously- Confirmed by Zidoo devs, Dune players have the same chipset also and they just process RPU and disregard FEL also.
And you are right, even if the hardware can be hacked like the AM6+ The picture doesn’t look correct because Dolby will not modify and provide the SDK for a Media player, Dolby consider the MKV format to be the embodiment of piracy.