Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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gumajatsu
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Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

Post by gumajatsu »

Hello everyone.

I have an old LG BH16NS40 drive, manufactured in 2014. It currently has FW1.00. I know it will never be UHD friendly and i don't intend to update it with FW from the guide available here, but i have an issue with a blu-ray i own. Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly. I tried three different backup softwares, including makemkv, but everytime i start the BDMV folder in VLC, i get the same message without the blu-ray actually starting. If i choose to skip menus in VLC the movie starts, but obviously i can not access the menu this way.
Is this an issue with the disc, do i need to update my drives FW or do i actually need a newer drive? I'm lost...

Greetings gumajatsu
dcoke22
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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption? If so, eventually MakeMKV will support it.

If you got another drive that supported LibreDrive, you could play it now.
MrPenguin
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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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gumajatsu wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:05 pm
Everytime i try to play it, i get displayed a message indicating that my drive needs an update to play the disc correctly.
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?
gumajatsu
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dcoke22 wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:16 pm
Does the problematic disc have AACS v82 encryption?
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection. Sadly i don't have another drive at the moment.
MrPenguin wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 pm
Did MakeMKV create a TGZ dump file for this disk? If so, perhaps post that file here please so that people can examine it?
Can't find a TGZ dump file in the MAKEMKV folder. I will try to back it up again with "log debug messages" enabled once i'm back from vacation in a few days and post it here.

This is a screenshot of VLC player when i try to start the disc.
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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 12:24 pm
The disc has AACS v19 and BD+ v2010.9 protection.
Have you installed the support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.

I don't have many disks with BD+, but I have still been able to play them in VLC.
gumajatsu
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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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MrPenguin wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:02 pm
Have you installed the support for BD+? This is libbdplus, the vm files and all of the BD+ tables.
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.
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gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:17 pm
Yes, it is installed. Other BD+ protected discs play without issue.
Are there BD+ tables for your particular disk? I still don't know which disk we are talking about here.
gumajatsu
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Sorry, should have included it in the original post: The A Team
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gumajatsu wrote:
Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:58 pm
Sorry, should have included it in the original post: The A Team
libbdplus does have some tables for "The A Team", although I cannot tell if they match your particular disk without also knowing your disk's MK and Unit Key. Could you make your disk's AACS/Unit_Key_RO.inf and AACS/MKB_RO.inf files available please? Either as attachments, or by providing a download link?
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I will do that as soon as i can, probably on monday. Thanks for looking into it!
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Post by gumajatsu »

See
AACS_A.Team.zip
Unit_Key_RO. inf and MKB_RO.inf packed as zip
(14.06 KiB) Downloaded 715 times
for the requested files.

I'm wondering... Shouldn't makemkv remove the BD+ protection or does it rely on the tables from libbdplus aswell?
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gumajatsu wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:15 pm
See AACS_A.Team.zip for the requested files.
AFAICT your disk has both an entry in KEYDB.cfg:

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0xE080FD4A6FCB59D7D570A7D2B6B8EAE17D8F20E7 = A_TEAM_F8 (The A-Team) | D | 2010-09-24 | ...
and a BD+ table:

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.config/bdplus/convtab/43A4D2779CA340C5707B54BE922DD5EB_A_TEAM_F8.bin
I don't know if MakeMKV can remove the BD+, but I would expect (say) VLC to be able to play this disk directly.
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Re: Do i need to update my old BH16NS40 drive to play/backup this disc?

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Alright, thanks for checking it out for me!

Seems like i need to watch it without menu then.
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