Missing MPLS from MKV title list - Alien Anthology Extras

[Revec]

Hello Everyone,

I'm in the process of ripping all my blu-rays (about 400 discs) to mkv and I've come across an issue with the Alien Anthology blu-ray box set when trying to rip the extras from the blu-ray. (I'm able to rip the movies to MKV). For example, Disc 1 has all the deleted scenes grouped together. I can find that in VLC and in BDInfo, but there is no matching title in makemkv. BDInfo shows that the mpls I would want is 00308.

Normally when I can't find the play all option for an extra, I just use BDInfo to identify the M2TS numbers and the length for each extra, look for the matching entry in makemkv, and rip those titles. This has worked flawlessly with the 300 blu-rays I have ripped so far. However, with Alien the only M2TS in the makemkv title list that matches has a longer length (3:54) than BDInfo (1:35). Just to check I ripped that title to mkv and the deleted scene is there. However, it includes the scenes that occur before and after the deleted scene in the movie, which I don't want. I ran into a similar issue when checking Aliens for the deleted scenes and I suspect I'll run into this with Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.

Trying to open the blu-ray without AnyDVD HD running to see if the playlist in makemkv would include the missing mpls doesn't seem to work. When opening the disc, I get a "bd + code processed, got Fut(s) for 33 clip" message about 3/4 of the way through loading and nothing happens after that. I also didn't find anything about this issue with the Alien box set when searching on my own so I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to get the missing mpls to appear in makemkv so I can rip these extras?

[Grauhaar]

The possible reason is, that MakeMKV filters this MPLS because the streams segments in the MPLS contains different video and/or audio resolutions or different numbers of audio and/or subtitle tracks. An MKV file can hold/describe only one specifiction for video/audio(s)/subtitles(s) in the MKV header. To store a title in the MKV container all resolutions and settings must be the same.

[Woodstock]

Do you have debug logging turned on, and can you post the log here (put "code" tags around the log) ?

There are a number of possibilities. One simple one is that your "minimum title length" is larger than the extras. MakeMKV ignores anything below that size, although it will tell you it is skipping it in the log.

[Revec]

I don't think it's a minimum title length problem. I checked the setting last night to make sure it was still set at 20 seconds and I also tried running the blu-ray with the length set at 1 second. Plus the 00308 mpls that contains all the deleted scenes runs something like 6:35 according to VLC and BDInfo. When I get home from work tonight I will run the blu-ray again and figure out how to generate a log. I've not used the debug log feature before, but I'm pretty sure I can figure it out.

[Woodstock]

The FAQ link in my signature explains how to turn debugging on. It doesn't hurt to leave it on - and you will have more detail available to you for troubleshooting problems if it is on.

[Revec]

Here is the debug log from the text file:

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Debug log started at Wed Jun 13 22:12:20 2018 , written by MakeMKV v1.12.2 win(x64-release)
Using 524544KB for read cache.
001005:0000 MakeMKV v1.12.2 win(x64-release) started
001004:0000 Debug logging enabled, log will be saved as C:\Users\Jeremy/MakeMKV_log.txt
003007:0000 Using direct disc access mode
003335:0508 It appears that you have AnyDVD enabled. MakeMKV should process discs with most sophisticated protections without help of any 3rd party decryption software. In addition MakeMKV works faster and more reliably when it decrypts data by itself. It is highly recommended to disable AnyDVD and restart the application. 

Do you want to continue anyway (errors may follow) ?
003305:0000 AACS directory not present, assuming unencrypted disc
DISCID=9DB6B77ECBF44E3CA610032B3BA096D356BB7DF4
001003:0020 DEBUG: Code 0 at 6^'WT%-Ajg]/i\r&:121262325
003307:0000 File 00800.mpls was added as title #0
003307:0000 File 00801.mpls was added as title #1
003307:0000 File 00503.mpls was added as title #2
003307:0000 File 00508.mpls was added as title #3
003307:0000 File 00509.mpls was added as title #4
003307:0000 File 00510.mpls was added as title #5
003307:0000 File 00511.mpls was added as title #6
003307:0000 File 00516.mpls was added as title #7
003307:0000 File 00517.mpls was added as title #8
003307:0000 File 00519.mpls was added as title #9
003307:0000 File 00533.mpls was added as title #10
003307:0000 File 00539.mpls was added as title #11
003307:0000 File 00547.mpls was added as title #12
003307:0000 File 00020.mpls was added as title #13
003309:0000 Title 00850.mpls is equal to title 00800.mpls and was skipped
003309:0000 Title 00851.mpls is equal to title 00801.mpls and was skipped
003307:0000 File 00983.m2ts was added as title #14
003307:0000 File 00984.m2ts was added as title #15
003307:0000 File 00985.m2ts was added as title #16
003307:0000 File 00986.m2ts was added as title #17
003307:0000 File 00987.m2ts was added as title #18
003307:0000 File 00988.m2ts was added as title #19
003307:0000 File 00989.m2ts was added as title #20
003307:0000 File 00990.m2ts was added as title #21
003307:0000 File 00991.m2ts was added as title #22
003307:0000 File 00992.m2ts was added as title #23
003307:0000 File 00993.m2ts was added as title #24
003307:0000 File 00994.m2ts was added as title #25
003307:0000 File 00995.m2ts was added as title #26
003307:0000 File 00996.m2ts was added as title #27
003307:0000 File 00997.m2ts was added as title #28
003307:0000 File 00998.m2ts was added as title #29
003307:0000 File 00999.m2ts was added as title #30
003307:0000 File 01000.m2ts was added as title #31
003307:0000 File 01001.m2ts was added as title #32
003307:0000 File 01002.m2ts was added as title #33
003307:0000 File 01003.m2ts was added as title #34
003307:0000 File 01004.m2ts was added as title #35
003307:0000 File 01005.m2ts was added as title #36
003307:0000 File 01006.m2ts was added as title #37
003307:0000 File 01007.m2ts was added as title #38
003307:0000 File 01008.m2ts was added as title #39
003307:0000 File 01009.m2ts was added as title #40
003307:0000 File 01010.m2ts was added as title #41
003307:0000 File 01011.m2ts was added as title #42
003307:0000 File 01012.m2ts was added as title #43
003307:0000 File 01013.m2ts was added as title #44
003307:0000 File 01014.m2ts was added as title #45
003307:0000 File 01015.m2ts was added as title #46
003307:0000 File 01016.m2ts was added as title #47
003307:0000 File 01017.m2ts was added as title #48
003307:0000 File 01018.m2ts was added as title #49
003307:0000 File 01019.m2ts was added as title #50
003307:0000 File 01020.m2ts was added as title #51
003307:0000 File 01021.m2ts was added as title #52
003307:0000 File 01022.m2ts was added as title #53
003307:0000 File 01023.m2ts was added as title #54
003307:0000 File 01024.m2ts was added as title #55
003307:0000 File 01025.m2ts was added as title #56
003307:0000 File 01026.m2ts was added as title #57
003307:0000 File 01027.m2ts was added as title #58
003307:0000 File 01028.m2ts was added as title #59
003025:0000 Title #01029.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01030.m2ts was added as title #60
003025:0000 Title #01056.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01057.m2ts was added as title #61
003307:0000 File 01058.m2ts was added as title #62
003307:0000 File 01106.m2ts was added as title #63
003025:0000 Title #01107.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01108.m2ts was added as title #64
003307:0000 File 01111.m2ts was added as title #65
003307:0000 File 01112.m2ts was added as title #66
003307:0000 File 01113.m2ts was added as title #67
003307:0000 File 01114.m2ts was added as title #68
003307:0000 File 01115.m2ts was added as title #69
005011:0000 Operation successfully completed
Application exited at Wed Jun 13 22:14:59 2018

I double checked the running time for the 00308 mpls and it is 6:39, not 6:35. It includes the following .M2TS files:

01016 (this is the deleted scene I mentioned previously that shows up as 1:35 in VLC, BDInfo, and when played on my Oppo bluray player. That shows only the deleted scene. Makemkv lists 3:54 which includes the scene before and after the deleted scene)
01017
01018
01022
01024
01027
01111

If there is anything else needed, please let me know.

[Woodstock]

It looks like MakeMKV separated out the deleted scenes, rather than choosing the "play-all" playlist. In most cases, this is desirable (episodic TV series are often presented with multiple play lists, including a "play-all" version).

You say that MakeMKV stops working after it finds the fix-up table information, accessing the disk directly. I would ask that you try directly accessing it again (no AnyDVD), and send the debug log and other files requested in the FAQ link to support@makemkv.com for Mike to look at.

[Revec]

I agree, I also usually prefer separate rather than play all; just not when ripping lots of extras. Actually, I would even be fine with the deleted scenes being separate if they didn't have the scenes from the film attached to them. (Still can't figure out why that extra footage exists in those m2ts files in makemkv.) Anyway, here is the debug log when opening the blu-ray without AnyDVD running:

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Debug log started at Thu Jun 14 00:30:48 2018 , written by MakeMKV v1.12.2 win(x64-release)
Using 524544KB for read cache.
001005:0000 MakeMKV v1.12.2 win(x64-release) started
001004:0000 Debug logging enabled, log will be saved as C:\Users\Jeremy/MakeMKV_log.txt
003007:0000 Using direct disc access mode
DEBUG: Code 2365587456 at #JEH3khy]yJ.Vdvo:121271065
DEBUG: Code 2147483648 at #JEH3khy]yJ.Vdvo:29396483
DAFD=PAAAADAAAAEABDQkEHgACAQ==
DCE=fRT+DHNHBTpJHyOnzs9dm/wMOIRgtif3Bpf+wb6aK0m7QHF89pn5+920P+lDXl8pP263l8BJQ9d6DrA597F4MgmQJY9aIeo985l2OHQB9EVIzLLBKrd6V2LjI5cL+pmIfzu4ZdoTg8u+XL+id7KV67gVyp/vBFqz+g==
DCE=5Su3lD61Gh8PuT1maVFBTu3E1Vx8+YNYL3xj6JP7i3riNNxQgLB8tYX5PQTGwm9kT4Jo8LdQsXyK/ZV1TSogRW1Kahy1uKpogY1uwNrmfteUT+qLH2UYM9x38Wueaew2NFhF7CbVd6VxazsQ3/o9wHrLn/ruGxshwQ==
005085:0000 Loaded content hash table, will verify integrity of M2TS files.
003317:0000 Loaded 3 SVQ file(s)
003326:0000 Processing BD+ code, please be patient - this may take up to few minutes
003324:0000 Processing BD+ code using generic SVQ from builtin/generic.svq
SVQ: generic005 builtin/generic.svq
003328:0000 BD+ code processed, got 1 FUT(s) for 41 clip(s)
DISCID=9DB6B77ECBF44E3CA610032B3BA096D356BB7DF4
003307:0000 File 00800.mpls was added as title #0
003307:0000 File 00801.mpls was added as title #1
003307:0000 File 00503.mpls was added as title #2
003307:0000 File 00508.mpls was added as title #3
003307:0000 File 00509.mpls was added as title #4
003307:0000 File 00510.mpls was added as title #5
003307:0000 File 00511.mpls was added as title #6
003307:0000 File 00516.mpls was added as title #7
003307:0000 File 00517.mpls was added as title #8
003307:0000 File 00519.mpls was added as title #9
003307:0000 File 00533.mpls was added as title #10
003307:0000 File 00539.mpls was added as title #11
003307:0000 File 00547.mpls was added as title #12
003307:0000 File 00020.mpls was added as title #13
003309:0000 Title 00850.mpls is equal to title 00800.mpls and was skipped
003309:0000 Title 00851.mpls is equal to title 00801.mpls and was skipped
003307:0000 File 00983.m2ts was added as title #14
003307:0000 File 00984.m2ts was added as title #15
003307:0000 File 00985.m2ts was added as title #16
003307:0000 File 00986.m2ts was added as title #17
003307:0000 File 00987.m2ts was added as title #18
003307:0000 File 00988.m2ts was added as title #19
003307:0000 File 00989.m2ts was added as title #20
003307:0000 File 00990.m2ts was added as title #21
003307:0000 File 00991.m2ts was added as title #22
003307:0000 File 00992.m2ts was added as title #23
003307:0000 File 00993.m2ts was added as title #24
003307:0000 File 00994.m2ts was added as title #25
003307:0000 File 00995.m2ts was added as title #26
003307:0000 File 00996.m2ts was added as title #27
003307:0000 File 00997.m2ts was added as title #28
003307:0000 File 00998.m2ts was added as title #29
003307:0000 File 00999.m2ts was added as title #30
003307:0000 File 01000.m2ts was added as title #31
003307:0000 File 01001.m2ts was added as title #32
003307:0000 File 01002.m2ts was added as title #33
003307:0000 File 01003.m2ts was added as title #34
003307:0000 File 01004.m2ts was added as title #35
003307:0000 File 01005.m2ts was added as title #36
003307:0000 File 01006.m2ts was added as title #37
003307:0000 File 01007.m2ts was added as title #38
003307:0000 File 01008.m2ts was added as title #39
003307:0000 File 01009.m2ts was added as title #40
003307:0000 File 01010.m2ts was added as title #41
003307:0000 File 01011.m2ts was added as title #42
003307:0000 File 01012.m2ts was added as title #43
003307:0000 File 01013.m2ts was added as title #44
003307:0000 File 01014.m2ts was added as title #45
003307:0000 File 01015.m2ts was added as title #46
003307:0000 File 01016.m2ts was added as title #47
003307:0000 File 01017.m2ts was added as title #48
003307:0000 File 01018.m2ts was added as title #49
003307:0000 File 01019.m2ts was added as title #50
003307:0000 File 01020.m2ts was added as title #51
003307:0000 File 01021.m2ts was added as title #52
003307:0000 File 01022.m2ts was added as title #53
003307:0000 File 01023.m2ts was added as title #54
003307:0000 File 01024.m2ts was added as title #55
003307:0000 File 01025.m2ts was added as title #56
003307:0000 File 01026.m2ts was added as title #57
003307:0000 File 01027.m2ts was added as title #58
003307:0000 File 01028.m2ts was added as title #59
003025:0000 Title #01029.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01030.m2ts was added as title #60
003025:0000 Title #01056.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01057.m2ts was added as title #61
003307:0000 File 01058.m2ts was added as title #62
003307:0000 File 01106.m2ts was added as title #63
003025:0000 Title #01107.m2ts has length of 0 seconds which is less than minimum title length of 1 seconds and was therefore skipped
003307:0000 File 01108.m2ts was added as title #64
003307:0000 File 01111.m2ts was added as title #65
003307:0000 File 01112.m2ts was added as title #66
003307:0000 File 01113.m2ts was added as title #67
003307:0000 File 01114.m2ts was added as title #68
003307:0000 File 01115.m2ts was added as title #69
005011:0000 Operation successfully completed
Application exited at Thu Jun 14 00:33:05 2018

[Digital moe]

Did anyone ever find an answer to this, it seems the deleted scenes Playlist or in individual form do not appear in the selected files to be ripped but are on the disc if you watch on a Blu-ray player.

Edit:

seems this is the same across all the Alien films the Anthology boxset.

[Jordbrett]

Did anyone ever find an answer to this, it seems the deleted scenes Playlist or in individual form do not appear in the selected files to be ripped but are on the disc if you watch on a Blu-ray player.

Edit:

seems this is the same across all the Alien films the Anthology boxset.

I tried a media converter and even with that it makes the file but it doesn't play correctly. If I do a direct copy of that playlist VLC thinks it's 30+ minutes long but only plays the first few minutes and there's sections without audio. Ripping them individually and converting them I managed to get a few to work. I think something is wrong with how the playlist is formed. I was able to get a few of the deleted scenes to rip but not all. Probably not worth the trouble. I'll experiment a little more.

[pieinthesky]

I had to create an account just to comment on this as it's been tormenting me for a long while, and on my most recent attempt, I believe I have found a solution via the Windows version of HandBrake.

Normally I do my ripping on Linux using the common workflow of MakeMKV followed by HandBrake, so if you are just wanting raw MakeMKV output files, this may not be quite the solution you are looking for.

I tried everything mentioned in above posts, including backing up the ISOs via MakeMKV and found that VLC could see the deleted scenes as separate titles, whereas MakeMKV could not.

To get them to rip, I noticed after recently installing Windows, that the Windows version of HandBrake will read the backed up ISOs (this never worked under the Linux version). I gave it a try and behold, the titles for the deleted scenes were listed.

Alien, Aliens and Alien Resurrection held the deleted scenes in single multi-chaptered titles which made them easy to process, however Alien 3 only registered them as a single scene per title (slightly annoying as there are 31, but at least they were rip-able).

I hope this helps in some way as it's been a personal headache of mine for some time.

I don't know if there are different pressings/masters of this set but the one I have is a UK version from 2010.

[elusivezatchmo]

I tried everything mentioned in above posts, including backing up the ISOs via MakeMKV and found that VLC could see the deleted scenes as separate titles, whereas MakeMKV could not.

How did you make the ISO? Because I'm still struggling with this and trying to back up the delete scenes from the discs.