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Thank you agneva for the tests. But I asked specifically for FEL vs FEL-to-MEL converted titles. But after reading the above discussion, I guess there won't be much difference between plain HDR and MEL titles. It's such a shame that I need to get another external device to enjoy DV even after having best TV(CX) and best streaming device (shield pro)

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:04 pm

glc650 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:40 pm Which movie is this from?

BL is Olympus has fallen and EL is Leon the professional

. Bc
Would (none LLDV) Blu-ray players plays on the Sony?
Vertex2 in the equation.
Here is another up date I also have 2 Philips Blu-ray 4K players 1 doblyvision 1 is not.
And with doblyvision on LLDV for a none LLDV player plays the FEL in hdr10 bl over bl layer what the hell. How is that possible?
It’s also utilizing the Rpu as welll.
Sample file/reset9999 & Lexyz gladiator fel sample displays fel & Rpu over base layer in hdr10. On none LLDV doblyvision player.
Will do a capture for comparison.
So u guys can add Philips 4K uhd doblyvision player to the list plays mp4 rips dl & muxed sl dv.
But no LLDV ability
As u can see from the photo fel is being played Along with the hdr10 when in LLDV mode. Player can’t play LLDV
So in that case who’s decoding the fel the tv or the uhd player?

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:04 pm

glc650 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:40 pm Which movie is this from?

BL is Olympus has fallen and EL is Leon the professional

I can confirm my X800M2 plays P7 FEL (I can see the artifacts with FEL DT-DL sample). I had to get close to really see the artifacts, though (my normal viewing distance is close to 15 ft so maybe that is why).

Manixx2020beyound wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:24 pm Would (none LLDV) Blu-ray players plays on the Sony?

My guess is no but I have yet to use a source that does not support LLDV. My TV is the XBR75Z9F which only does LLDV. I currently use a Sony X800M2 and Roku Ultra (2020) as my external DV sources. My only other external source is a HTPC w/madVR (HDR10 only). I have also used an Oppo 203, Sony X700, FireTV 4K Stick and Apple TV 4K on this TV at some point in the last year and all played back (LLDV) DV just fine (of course only streaming profiles on the ATV and FTV).

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:10 pm yep, just sell that TV and get an LG lol.
Even Dolby recommends to the colorist the LG C7 or newer for previewing.

Not an option. I like Sony's motion handling and HDR10
New 2021 Bravias will support TV-led DV

daicon wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:00 pm Where does the information in the SDK come from?

If it is finally so, I understand that the SDK, Oppo and similar players will get an update to fix it, won't they?
Can you put test images?

thanks

SDK is Dolby's domain.
If Dolby unwilling to fix it then all UHD playes are doomed to output crippled picture in LLDV mode

I belive I've shared images before, but here they are https://slow.pics/c/SHnEtyql
There is 4 sets of 4 pictures:
X700 HDR
X700 DVp7 DTDL DV
X700 DVp8 DV
Shield DVp8 DV
Also the X700 DV LLDV version shows more pasteurization and artifacts, but they are very difficult to capture on camera.

And there is a message from Stacey Spears on blu-ray.com forum about bug in UHD blu-ray players https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=333
He is a co-creator of demo material I use for test. No one knows better what it should look like.

lexyz wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:48 pm

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:10 pm yep, just sell that TV and get an LG lol.
Even Dolby recommends to the colorist the LG C7 or newer for previewing.

Not an option. I like Sony's motion handling and HDR10
New 2021 Bravias will support TV-led DV

You can change the tone curve and roll off in the LG to mimick the Sony with Calman, check the Calman forums on Avsforum.
HDR10 on my C9 looks really good, I don’t even use active processing with it.

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:53 am Here's a way of finding out if your playback device is processing the FEL or not.

FEL DT-DL sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PszHwO ... sp=sharing
FEL ST-DL sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1caOej3 ... sp=sharing
P8 SL RPU sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fNW6gE ... sp=sharing


These files are a mix of a BL and a random FEL track. This make the FEL data visible on top of the BL when played in DV so it easily tells us if the player just ignores the EL or if it actually use it. The P8 SL sample also has the same random RPU metadata.

On a CX (firmware 3.21.16) Plex internal app.

FEL DTDL plays as DV but SUPER DARK, NO EL.
FEL STDL plays as HDR, NO EL (obviously since played as HDR)
P8 SL-RPU plays as DV, brigth looks rigth, NO EL (its not there i know)

Regreting so much of having sold my old C7 to buy a CX....

lexyz wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:02 pm

daicon wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:00 pm Where does the information in the SDK come from?

If it is finally so, I understand that the SDK, Oppo and similar players will get an update to fix it, won't they?
Can you put test images?

thanks

SDK is Dolby's domain.
If Dolby unwilling to fix it then all UHD playes are doomed to output crippled picture in LLDV mode

I belive I've shared images before, but here they are https://slow.pics/c/SHnEtyql
There is 4 sets of 4 pictures:
X700 HDR
X700 DVp7 DTDL DV
X700 DVp8 DV
Shield DVp8 DV
Also the X700 DV LLDV version shows more pasteurization and artifacts, but they are very difficult to capture on camera.

And there is a message from Stacey Spears on blu-ray.com forum about bug in UHD blu-ray players https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=333
He is a co-creator of demo material I use for test. No one knows better what it should look like.

But....
Then the problem is for all TV, or only Sony?
Dont understand

Thabkssss

lexyz wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:48 pm

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:10 pm yep, just sell that TV and get an LG lol.
Even Dolby recommends to the colorist the LG C7 or newer for previewing.

Not an option. I like Sony's motion handling and HDR10
New 2021 Bravias will support TV-led DV

P7 fel hdr10 vs p7 fel dv

you got me curious. I checked that scene on my x700 and I find FEL DV sightly cleaner than HDR10 and P8 DV.
thank's @lexyz for the samples

HDR10 vs P7 FEL: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10301

a lot more obvious with the capture card.. wow:
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10303
thank's @Manixx2020beyound

I'm not regretting my CX OLED, it's fantastic, as a display I love it. It's so good.

I'm not gonna end up worrying if I ever put a DV movie through Plex and it looks bad for some reason. There's always the HDR playback...

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:37 am you got me curious. I checked that scene on my x700 and I find FEL DV sightly cleaner than HDR10 and P8 DV.
thank's @lexyz for the samples

HDR10 vs P7 FEL: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10301

a lot more obvious with the capture card.. wow:
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10303
thank's @Manixx2020beyound

but unless @Manixx2020beyound gave me the wrong capture sample, it looks that the p8 single layer file also fixes the artifacts.. WTF??? now I'm confused...
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10304

Possibly better processing, dithering by the Dolby Vision engine regardless of EL.

quietvoid wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:39 am Possibly better processing, dithering by the Dolby Vision engine regardless of EL.

we found out what happened, he misnamed the capture of the p4 dual layer sample from lexy to p8. sorry

here's the real P8 SL vs HDR10 source: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10306
so the artifacts are there, appears different because of the brightness difference probably caused by the dynamic metadata.

So yes the FEL can make a HUGE difference.

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:52 am So yes the FEL can make a HUGE difference.

But does it work on the Shield after all?