Re: UHD drives
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:59 pm
Thank you Josh.
I am interested in one of these drives. Doesn't seem to be a way to PM you directly on these forums.
If back up copies of UHD 4K Blu Rays are needed then those drives can be used yes.mgrobins wrote:Hey folks,
writing from Australia and interesuted in some quick answers to a few things having trolled as muhch of this thread as I can....
1. Is the current scenario using UHD Friendly BR drives an interim situation until MakeMKV and UHD drives become aligned? i.e. If I don't *need* a UHD drive just yet (my projector is only 1080p and I rent BR discs only... no UHD titles avail to rent yet) will waiting be ok and just get a UHD drive later?
I'm mounting in a PC mid tower not external enclosure.
2. In the event that UHD Friendly is essential and UHD drives will never work with MakeMKV… is this drive acceptable? :
LG drive - https://www.umart.com.au/LG-BH16NS55-Bl ... 5707G.html
or
Asus drive - https://www.pccasegear.com/products/402 ... ical-drive
(I can also get the BW pro version of this asus drive).
The LG is local and therefore cheaper sans shipping.... not sure which is better though.
Cheers!
1. Proceed as if UHD Friendly drives will be your one and only option.... ever. No one can guarantee that AACS 2.0 or any of its additional variations/versions will ever be fully universally cracked. Which is what would be needed to achive what you ask.mgrobins wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:33 am Hey folks,
writing from Australia and interested in some quick answers to a few things having trolled as much of this thread as I can....
1. Is the current scenario using UHD Friendly BR drives an interim situation until MakeMKV and UHD drives become aligned? i.e. If I don't *need* a UHD drive just yet (my projector is only 1080p and I rent BR discs only... no UHD titles avail to rent yet) will waiting be ok and just get a UHD drive later?
I'm mounting in a PC mid tower not external enclosure.
2. In the event that UHD Friendly is essential and UHD drives will never work with MakeMKV… is this drive acceptable? :
LG drive - https://www.umart.com.au/LG-BH16NS55-Bl ... 5707G.html
or
Asus drive - https://www.pccasegear.com/products/402 ... ical-drive
(I can also get the BW pro version of this asus drive).
The LG is local and therefore cheaper sans shipping.... not sure which is better though.
Cheers!
Mr. Ghotti, just to clarify, these new LG drives are "Official" UHD drives that you are downgrading to "Friendly"?jonghotti wrote: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:08 pmAnyone looking for a WH16NS60 official UHD drive I can get them at Frys for 40 under the lowest price you’ll find online and flash them to ASUS 3.02 UHD friendly for ya.jonghotti wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:30 am It's the end of an era, Fry's Electronics has put all LG Optical drives on clearance, meaning soon they'll no longer be carrying them!
Something about poor sales ever since they restocked the shelves with all year 2018 built models![]()
Get your order in soon they won’t ship these.
If I may? The 'friendly' drives are hardware capable of reading UHD discs. Early firmware included a 'loophole' which allowed MOST UHD discs (non-AACS 2.1, to date) to be copied. Once vendors became aware, most (all?) released firmware updates to close the 'loophole'. Reverting to an earlier firmware just restores said 'loophole'.Gaspen wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm Mr. Ghotti, just to clarify, these new LG drives are "Official" UHD drives that you are downgrading to "Friendly"?
Can they be upgraded back to official if the need arises?
I'm guessing the official software will no longer work after the downgrade, that it won't be recognized as official in any way usable?
Unless I'm misusing the terminology, the new drive Alex has is an official AACS 2 drive, while the older models are not? I'm guessing (?) that the older models cannot actually play AACS 2 movies because they don't report being AACS 2 to the software? Or is that what the loophole is actually allowing?d00zah wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:21 pmIf I may? The 'friendly' drives are hardware capable of reading UHD discs. Early firmware included a 'loophole' which allowed MOST UHD discs (non-AACS 2.1) to be copied. Once vendors became aware, most (all?) released firmware updates to close the 'loophole'. Reverting to an earlier firmware just restores said 'loophole'.Gaspen wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm Mr. Ghotti, just to clarify, these new LG drives are "Official" UHD drives that you are downgrading to "Friendly"?
Can they be upgraded back to official if the need arises?
I'm guessing the official software will no longer work after the downgrade, that it won't be recognized as official in any way usable?
Small, note on that comment. Same loophole DOES allow the decryption of 2.1 as it uses the same key set as 2.0. Mike himself has mentioned this as well in a post in this forum and it has been proven correct. The only two AACS 2.1 discs that currently exist have already been ripped/backed up using other software. Support is at the software level. Meaning, just because MakeMKV does not yet support it does not mean the same loophole can’t allow decryption of 2.1.d00zah wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:21 pmEarly firmware included a 'loophole' which allowed MOST UHD discs (non-AACS 2.1) to be copied.Gaspen wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm Mr. Ghotti, just to clarify, these new LG drives are "Official" UHD drives that you are downgrading to "Friendly"?
Can they be upgraded back to official if the need arises?
I'm guessing the official software will no longer work after the downgrade, that it won't be recognized as official in any way usable?
'Friendly/official' list is in the 1st post of this thread:mgrobins wrote: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:35 am Decided to check my current drive at home - it's an HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12LS30
Uncertain if this is capable of reading UHD let alone copying. Haven't got a disk at hand to test it. It works fine with all recent BR media I have placed in it though.
Any thoughts?