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Hmm how worse is the reencoded compared to the original I wonder? Disney + is not available in my country so I can't compare.agneva wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:51 am Your Mandalorian is a pirated, reencoded copyyou can tell the x265 encoder what ever you want, maybe L8.5:
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it's not re-encoded.. it's a true untouched WEB-DL ...deadchip12 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:57 amHmm how worse is the reencoded compared to the original I wonder? Disney + is not available in my country so I can't compare.agneva wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:51 am Your Mandalorian is a pirated, reencoded copy
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of course, studios encode the file, that's not the point. I was just telling you that WEB-DL means untouched from the Ðisney servers.agneva wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:30 pm that's not the point here, but it doesn't matter.
x265 is always reencoded, no professional provider encodes with x265
that is not true..... there's a couple of uhd-bd that shows that they use x265. mostly the german bluray disc release
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Disc Title: Rollerball.1975
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Also, that file info you posted is clearly re-encoded from the true MZABi WEB-DL which is 22mb/s and doesn't show x265 settings.agneva wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:30 pm
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Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcCmy camera cannot capture the full dynamics of the OLED display, so I fixed it to get a comparable result by photo:magnetoeric wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:03 pm Could someone please do a comparison video of FEL from any blu ray player with FEL to MEL converted file played through the internal player of CX (or through native plex app)? Or if it's already done, would be grateful if they link it. Thanks in advance
Yep, LG internal player/Plex.DaMacFunkin wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:52 am The CX can do TV led Dolby Vision so it has 2 decoders, so no discussion.
What is more likely is the second decoder is crippled in firmware for media file playback.
Have you tried built in Plex app from NAS?
But you didn't convert the FEL to MEL as asked right? The pics on the right is from a Dual Track Dual Layer file with FEL?agneva wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:38 pmmy camera cannot capture the full dynamics of the OLED display, so I fixed it to get a comparable result by photo:magnetoeric wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:03 pm Could someone please do a comparison video of FEL from any blu ray player with FEL to MEL converted file played through the internal player of CX (or through native plex app)? Or if it's already done, would be grateful if they link it. Thanks in advance
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the brightness-pumping can not be seen on a picture
Glad I gave a C9 then, CX in many ways sounds like a backward step.Wanderlust3K wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:58 pmYep, LG internal player/Plex.DaMacFunkin wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:52 am The CX can do TV led Dolby Vision so it has 2 decoders, so no discussion.
What is more likely is the second decoder is crippled in firmware for media file playback.
Have you tried built in Plex app from NAS?
Firmware crippled makes sense, sucks, but makes sense.
Above pictures taken by @Agneva ilustrates the issue pretty well.
both pics are from the original Dual Track, Dual Layer with FEL !AndreasT wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:58 am
But you didn't convert the FEL to MEL as asked right? The pics on the right is from a Dual Track Dual Layer file with FEL?
In addition to the original question comparing UHD playback with a FEL to MEL conversion, it would be interesting to compare a FEL to MEL conversion to when only the BL is played without HDR at all.
I mean, if only the BL is played, with no HDR at all, is the picture really as dark as when playing a DV dual track dual layer with FEL?
"Convert" is maybe the wrong word. I just used it since its used to describe what yusesope's tool (https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic ... 970#p96282) is used for.agneva wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:58 amboth pics are from the original Dual Track, Dual Layer with FEL !AndreasT wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:58 am
But you didn't convert the FEL to MEL as asked right? The pics on the right is from a Dual Track Dual Layer file with FEL?
In addition to the original question comparing UHD playback with a FEL to MEL conversion, it would be interesting to compare a FEL to MEL conversion to when only the BL is played without HDR at all.
I mean, if only the BL is played, with no HDR at all, is the picture really as dark as when playing a DV dual track dual layer with FEL?
left side on the Bluray Player, right side from the CX interal Player.
I don´t know what you mean with "BL is played without HDR" - sorry.
If you play BL HDR10 the picture is correct.
If you play Dolby Vision Single Layer (only RPU) the picture is as the right side, both on the Bluray player and on the TV.
You can´t convert FEL to MEL.
I tested the files on my CX.agneva wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:58 am
If you play BL HDR10 the picture is correct.
If you play Dolby Vision Single Layer (only RPU) the picture is as the right side, both on the Bluray player and on the TV.
You can´t convert FEL to MEL.
Keep the RPU data = Dynamic HDR ??