Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[Manixx2020beyound]

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with the firmware before it doesn´t play DV DL mp4

CX plays fel fine in usb mp4 dl dv.
Firmware#
Tlc 6 series plays dv fel as well usb.

[Wanderlust3K]

Of course there is an issue.

If you see the white sky is pumping / picture is to dark, the (F)EL is not decoded !

in my opinion the CX can only decode the Metadata (RPU) of DV, not the second HEVC stream.

maybe the older LG TV can do, I don´t know... to find out, I uploaded the samples for you.

THIS !

MEL files look ok
FEL files look ultra dark.

I had a C7 before the CX and FEL files looked fine on the C7.

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CX plays fel fine in usb mp4 dl dv.
Firmware#
Tlc 6 series plays dv fel as well usb.

CX did not play DV (DTDL) mp4 prior to lastest firmware.

They do play NOW but as @Agneva pointed out, FEL files on CX look bad, too dark, as if EL was ignored alltogether.

That would explain the lack of support at launch.

Who knows maybe, the CX only has 1 decoder instead of the 2 required, would not surprise me, manufacturers undercut sucessfull product lines for profit all the time.

Have seen this happen a lot, a product gets fame for its quality and then next versions are cutdown for profit with inferior materials or features.

Maybe LG thougth no one would notice since streaming is MEL and that would really suck, i dont see much difference beetween DV MEL vs plain HDR + dynamic tonemaping or HDR10+, DV was about FEL.

[shawnc22]

Who knows maybe, the CX only has 1 decoder instead of the 2 required, would not surprise me, manufacturers undercut sucessfull product lines for profit all the time.

Have seen this happen a lot, a product gets fame for its quality and then next versions are cutdown for profit with inferior materials or features.

Maybe LG thougth no one would notice since streaming is MEL and that would really suck, i dont see much difference beetween DV MEL vs plain HDR + dynamic tonemaping, DV was about FEL.

Could very well be the case. Although I will say that the initial support for DTDL DV in mp4s on a smart tv has always been a bit odd. It could've just been a lucky coincidence with the early implementation of DV. Since FEL content is only found on bluray disks, TVs honestly have no need to have two decoders available for DV.

[deadchip12]

Of course there is an issue.

If you see the white sky is pumping / picture is to dark, the (F)EL is not decoded !

in my opinion the CX can only decode the Metadata (RPU) of DV, not the second HEVC stream.

maybe the older LG TV can do, I don´t know... to find out, I uploaded the samples for you.

So I just compared the info of your DV SL file and a DV SL file I downloaded online. The difference is yours is Main10@5.1 while the other file is Main10@5.2. Your DV SL file looks wrong on my c9 but the other file looks correct. Does this mean anything?

[shawnc22]

Of course there is an issue.

If you see the white sky is pumping / picture is to dark, the (F)EL is not decoded !

in my opinion the CX can only decode the Metadata (RPU) of DV, not the second HEVC stream.

maybe the older LG TV can do, I don´t know... to find out, I uploaded the samples for you.

So I just compared the info of your DV SL file and a DV SL file I downloaded online. The difference is yours is Main10@5.1 while the other file is Main10@5.2. Your DV SL file looks wrong on my c9 but the other file looks correct. Does this mean anything?

Not sure exactly what the Main10 part means, but an obvious explanation for the difference you see in those two files you're comparing is that one is a from a native profile 5 source and the other is converted from a profile 7 disk. Given that there is no colorspace transformation during the conversion, it's not surprising that the resulting "profile 5" video might look wrong.

[agneva]

CX plays fel fine in usb mp4 dl dv.
Firmware#
Tlc 6 series plays dv fel as well usb.

You are telling me, that Ryan DL.mp4 is playing correct on your CX ?

So I just compared the info of your DV SL file and a DV SL file I downloaded online. The difference is yours is Main10@5.1 while the other file is Main10@5.2. Your DV SL file looks wrong on my c9 but the other file looks correct. Does this mean anything?

Ryan SL must look wrong because the EL is missing
SL is there to make a difference to DL version visible.
L5.1 is correct, like every Bluray.
Your Mandalorian is a pirated, reencoded copy you can tell the x265 encoder what ever you want, maybe L8.5:

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[DaMacFunkin]

Of course there is an issue.

If you see the white sky is pumping / picture is to dark, the (F)EL is not decoded !

in my opinion the CX can only decode the Metadata (RPU) of DV, not the second HEVC stream.

maybe the older LG TV can do, I don´t know... to find out, I uploaded the samples for you.

THIS !

MEL files look ok
FEL files look ultra dark.

I had a C7 before the CX and FEL files looked fine on the C7.

5ED00217-56EF-4440-B746-9591A31684D2.jpeg
CX plays fel fine in usb mp4 dl dv.
Firmware#
Tlc 6 series plays dv fel as well usb.

CX did not play DV (DTDL) mp4 prior to lastest firmware.

They do play NOW but as @Agneva pointed out, FEL files on CX look bad, too dark, as if EL was ignored alltogether.

That would explain the lack of support at launch.

Who knows maybe, the CX only has 1 decoder instead of the 2 required, would not surprise me, manufacturers undercut sucessfull product lines for profit all the time.

Have seen this happen a lot, a product gets fame for its quality and then next versions are cutdown for profit with inferior materials or features.

Maybe LG thougth no one would notice since streaming is MEL and that would really suck, i dont see much difference beetween DV MEL vs plain HDR + dynamic tonemaping or HDR10+, DV was about FEL.

The CX can do TV led Dolby Vision so it has 2 decoders, so no discussion.
What is more likely is the second decoder is crippled in firmware for media file playback.
Have you tried built in Plex app from NAS?

[agneva]

The CX can do TV led Dolby Vision so it has 2 decoders, so no discussion.
What is more likely is the second decoder is crippled in firmware for media file playback.
Have you tried built in Plex app from NAS?

You confuse metadata decoder with 2. full-fledged HEVC decoder (which restores the original from FEL with 12bit)

For Netflix Dolby Vision is only DV Profil 5 / 8 necessary, without 2. HEVC stream / FEL:

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[shawnc22]

The CX can do TV led Dolby Vision so it has 2 decoders, so no discussion.
What is more likely is the second decoder is crippled in firmware for media file playback.
Have you tried built in Plex app from NAS?

Being able to do TV-led DV has nothing to do with whether it has 2 HEVC decoders or not. If that's the case, then every DV capable TV that's not a Sony should be able to play DL FEL mp4s. The decoding step (1 HEVC or 2 HEVC decoders needed to reconstruct the original picture) occurs prior to the tone mapping step (TV-led or player-led).

[deadchip12]

Your Mandalorian is a pirated, reencoded copy you can tell the x265 encoder what ever you want, maybe L8.5:
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Hmm how worse is the reencoded compared to the original I wonder? Disney + is not available in my country so I can't compare.

[agneva]

this is the EL of Ryan:

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BL:

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You can demux it and playback with MPC-HC

I don´t know Mandalorian.

[RESET_9999]

Your Mandalorian is a pirated, reencoded copy you can tell the x265 encoder what ever you want, maybe L8.5:
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Hmm how worse is the reencoded compared to the original I wonder? Disney + is not available in my country so I can't compare.

it's not re-encoded.. it's a true untouched WEB-DL ...
many folks see pirated stuff and automatically assume it's captured / re-encoded.

Dolby Vision cannot be recorded with a capture card. The only way of getting DV rip out of streaming services is by downloading/bypassing the DRM which pirate groups have been able to do for many months now.

[agneva]

that's not the point here, but it doesn't matter.

Resolution : [3840×2160]
Video Bitrate : [15,3 MB/s]
FPS: : [23,976]
Audio Language : [German (DTS-HD MA 5.1/EAC3 5.1) / English (EAC3 5.1)]
Subtitle Lang. : [German (Complete/Complete SDH) / English (Complete SDH)]
Encoding : [StaxRip -> HEVC x265 Main10 High@L5.1 CRF16 (UHD Ready)]
Colorgrading : [DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 -> BT2020 HDR10 @1000 Nits]
Source : [Mandalorian.S02E01.Chapter.09.REPACK.2160p.WEB-DL.DDP5.1.HDR.x265-RONIN]

x265 is always reencoded, no professional provider encodes with x265

[RESET_9999]

that's not the point here, but it doesn't matter.
x265 is always reencoded, no professional provider encodes with x265

of course, studios encode the file, that's not the point. I was just telling you that WEB-DL means untouched from the Ðisney servers.

no professional provider encodes with x265

that is not true..... there's a couple of uhd-bd that shows that they use x265. mostly the german bluray disc release
also happen all the time with streaming service.. Your own iTunes 1080p DRM download will sometimes show the x264 encoder/ settings. Studios can do whatever they want.

Rollerball uhd bluray:

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Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 2 h 5 min
Bit rate : 59.2 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.298
Stream size : 52.0 GiB (84%)
Writing library : x265 2.3+18-88fd9082764c:[Windows][GCC 5.3.1][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings : cpuid=1050111 / frame-threads=8 / numa-pools=20,20 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=1 / ref=3 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=1 / keyint=24 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / no-b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=20 / lookahead-slices=8 / scenecut=40 / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / no-rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=0 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=2 / limit-refs=3 / no-limit-modes / me=1 / subme=2 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=1 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=0.00 / psy-rdoq=0.00 / no-rd-refine / analysis-mode=0 / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=60000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / vbv-maxrate=70000 / vbv-bufsize=60000 / vbv-init=0.9 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=1 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=2 / chromaloc-bottom=2 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13200,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16500)L(20000000,2) / max-cll=10000,400 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / opt-qp-pps / opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr / no-hdr-opt / refine-level=5
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.264000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.330000
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0002 cd/m2, max: 2000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 10000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 400 cd/m2

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Disc Title:     Rollerball.1975
Disc Size:      77,789,728,995 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD
BDInfo:         0.7.5.8 

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS  
Length:                 2:05:44.703 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   70,846,881,792 bytes
Total Bitrate:          75.12 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description    
-----                   -------             -----------    
MPEG-H HEVC Video       59212 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 2000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
LPCM Audio                      German          2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      German          2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
LPCM Audio                      English         2304 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          2347 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2347 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2333 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2333 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
* Dolby Digital Audio           English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

Resolution : [3840×2160]
Video Bitrate : [15,3 MB/s]
FPS: : [23,976]
Audio Language : [German (DTS-HD MA 5.1/EAC3 5.1) / English (EAC3 5.1)]
Subtitle Lang. : [German (Complete/Complete SDH) / English (Complete SDH)]
Encoding : [StaxRip -> HEVC x265 Main10 High@L5.1 CRF16 (UHD Ready)]
Colorgrading : [DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 -> BT2020 HDR10 @1000 Nits]
Source : [Mandalorian.S02E01.Chapter.09.REPACK.2160p.WEB-DL.DDP5.1.HDR.x265-RONIN]

Also, that file info you posted is clearly re-encoded from the true MZABi WEB-DL which is 22mb/s and doesn't show x265 settings.
of course anyone can call his encode WEB-DL , that why you must stick to the reputable release group, who the hell is ronin lol and that file is not even in DV....


real legit DV web-dl mediainfo of S02 ep01 :

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Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.2@Main
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
Codec ID                                 : dvhe
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration                                 : 51 min 51 s
Bit rate                                 : 22.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 47.3 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 0)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.111
Stream size                              : 7.97 GiB (96%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-11-02 16:16:57
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-11-02 20:25:13
Color range                              : Full
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC+dvcC

[magnetoeric]

Could someone please do a comparison video of FEL from any blu ray player with FEL to MEL converted file played through the internal player of CX (or through native plex app)? Or if it's already done, would be grateful if they link it. Thanks in advance