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Donpablo80 wrote: Thu May 30, 2019 8:41 am

Grencola wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 11:20 pm

Donpablo80 wrote: Wed May 29, 2019 12:01 pm CloneBD works well with Dolby vision, it even can compress to a smaller file size, but it creates a Dolby digital track with audio description for people who are blind. So a man is telling what is happening on screen. I can not choose a different audio track. This happens with te uhd bluray of Cold Pursuit.

So do you just select the bdmv folder on your hdd in clonebd, choose mp4 with no compression, and then get a dolby vision mp4 like what mp4muxer makes? can I see the mediainfo of the finished file?

Yes Exactly like that.
Here is the mediainfo of Cold Pursuit i created:

Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/mp42/dby1)
File size : 58,5 GiB
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Overall bit rate : 70,3 Mb/s
Movie name : Cold Pursuit
Writing application : Lavf57.3.100

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 62,0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.312
Stream size : 51,5 GiB (88%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 288 cd/m2
Menus : 4
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate : 7 697 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23,976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.155
Stream size : 6,40 GiB (11%)
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 1
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 1 h 59 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 kanalen
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48,0 kHz
Frame rate : 31,250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 545 MiB (1%)
Title : English
Language : Engels
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Ja
Alternate group : 2
Menus : 4

onlyauser wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am

Grencola wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:18 am Sony TV's can't play dual layer video files in Dolby Vision, unfortunately. The test samples you tried are single layer files that can't be created without official dolby tools. Only certain TV models from LG, Vizio, and TCL can play dual layer dv files, otherwise you'll need either an Oppo 203 or the Chinese clone from bd-mod to play them properly.

Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser

generalmilk wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 7:01 pm

onlyauser wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am

Grencola wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:18 am Sony TV's can't play dual layer video files in Dolby Vision, unfortunately. The test samples you tried are single layer files that can't be created without official dolby tools. Only certain TV models from LG, Vizio, and TCL can play dual layer dv files, otherwise you'll need either an Oppo 203 or the Chinese clone from bd-mod to play them properly.

Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser

I feel you man, as someone switched to x900f from vizio p75f.

I have a question for @Grencola. Is the inability of playing dual layer DV on Sony a hard limit (hardware, cert or kernel) issue from Sony or able to be solved by software? For example, is Kodi able to push an update to play the remuxed mp4 on DV?

Grencola wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:56 am

generalmilk wrote: Fri May 31, 2019 7:01 pm

onlyauser wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:06 am

Thanks for clarification. Seems like I bet on the wrong horse.

Regards
onlyanuser

I feel you man, as someone switched to x900f from vizio p75f.

I have a question for @Grencola. Is the inability of playing dual layer DV on Sony a hard limit (hardware, cert or kernel) issue from Sony or able to be solved by software? For example, is Kodi able to push an update to play the remuxed mp4 on DV?

aw damn, the p75 is such a great TV too Yea it's just a software limit. They could easily allow it if they wanted. And as for Kodi, highly doubtful Dolby will be giving them a license any time soon. Sony's x700 bdp can play the dv mp4s from both usb and dlna servers like plex just fine for under 200 bux.

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.

Donpablo80 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.

Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:14 pm

Donpablo80 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:32 am Nothing can make single layer DV from original dual layer of UHD bluray without decrease in quality. Because original streams/layers are encoded in HEVC which is "lossy" codec. Once you unpack/decode and re-encode, there goes your quality.

Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.

Well, whether the difference is visible or not is different topic. And this is very dependent in viewing environment, equipment and viewer.

Grencola wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:49 pm

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:14 pm

Donpablo80 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:43 pm

Yes, but you can't see the difference between this encode of 48,2 Mb/s or the remux of 52,7 Mb/s. I have been comparing it several times. Maybe this is a nice solution for tv's that don't play dual layer mp4.

Well, whether the difference is visible or not is different topic. And this is very dependent in viewing environment, equipment and viewer.

That's not true at all; HEVC is NOT just a lossy codec. It can be perfectly lossless. In fact, Blurays use HEVC This is also such minor compression, we're talking a few mbits, that he's right, you won't see that. Plus the benefit could be a HUGE; what's now stopping us from demuxing the new single layer dv video track, and then muxing it with the hd-audio + atmos track into a ts container to now get full playback we've been wanting without an Oppo?! Apple TV 4k running MrMC, can playback dolby vision from single layer video files and it supports hd audio. I'm pretty excited!

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:42 pm H.265 HEVC is lossy codec. Period.

bgalakazam wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:21 pm Grencola, I recently got Atmos stuff. So back to this, any way to do DV with lossy Atmos? I know there is ATV4K solution, but I only have a Sony X700.

Grencola wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:38 pm

tango306 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:42 pm H.265 HEVC is lossy codec. Period.

But that is literally what UHD Discs use..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_HD_Blu-ray
<<Encoding: H.265/MPEG-H Part 2 (HEVC)>>