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Only thing I'd like to add is that the player has to also support the full implementation of DV for non-LLDV. Some players, such as the xbox one x, is only capable of outputting LLDV regardless of the display's capabilities.chros wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:17 pm A note about the phrase "LLDV", since you use it recently:
- this is a mode of the display device and not the player, nor the file!
- although the player triggers it based on its setting (e.g. Oppo)
- it has nothing to do with the content itself (can be MEL/FEL DV)
I've tested Godzilla KOTM on my android TV (exact same DV implementation as Firestick), it plays fine. I don't have Alita, sorry.ray_007 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:12 am Has anyone had any success on making DV work in 'Alita & Godzilla King of Monster' on Firestick4k? All I get is black screen with sound only. Is it because it's a HDR10+ and DV title? Tried Muxing in MP4 but getting HDR10+ and no DR :/
RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm so here are some comparisons. Pitch black room without any light, OLED TV, Camera settings locked, Tripod, and Bluetooth triggering.
Dual-layer FEL untouched VS Dual-layer MEL converted
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6565
the untouched FEL is brighter & has more punch, no doubt. But I think this is normal because I'm seeing the same kind(if not more) of difference when I compare the Spears and Munsil FEL & MEL
Spears and Munsil dual-layer FEL untouched VS Spears and Munsil dual-layer MEL untouched
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6564
Dual-layer MEL untouched VS Single-layer MEL (el+RPU) untouched
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6566
also from the bluray discs I inspected, FEL DV hevc stream is the actual movie with a white/grey tint on it while MEL DV is just a static white/grey image.
We still can see the video in the MEL conversion so that could be the reason why it doesn't play on the x700. I can add some random MEL track to any HDR10 hevc stream and it will still play in DV (single or dual layer). with some flickering but it triggers DV.
real FEL / real MEL / MEL conversion
I have a question, why in the first comparative, the fel to mel is more darkness, and now is the same?RESET_9999 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:28 pm my friend had some LLDV tonemapped to SDR capture samples for me today. Good news for the Firestick Tv owners, it looks like it does DV the right way even though I see a small difference on white in the comparison #1 compared to the x700.
x700 vs shield vs firestick vs Chromecast. (use number keys on your keyboard to switch between the image)
https://slow.pics/c/QBBIxewf
SKYFALL MEL DV.... 3 comparisons of each device:
x700 vs Firestick: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... /picture:2
x700 vs Shield: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... /picture:2
x700 vs Chromecast: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... /picture:2
Firestick vs Shield: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... /picture:2
Shield = worse of all, oversaturation and ugly red artifacts everywhere. -----> btw I didn't look for a movie with artifacts, I took the first MEL movie I found and it still had red artifacts.
Chromecast = oversaturation but no red artifacts.
Spears and Munsil, x700 Original MEL vs FEL to mel conversion: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/7017
same method:
-all the players send LLDV.
-Vertex tone map DV to SDR using the same settings.
- The signal is captured using the same settings.
???hepe9 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:27 pm
I have a question, why in the first comparative, the fel to mel is more darkness, and now is the same?
Thanks
Yeah sorry, my quote is not good.RESET_9999 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:33 pm???hepe9 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:27 pm
I have a question, why in the first comparative, the fel to mel is more darkness, and now is the same?
Thanks
no, it's the same and I did not compare fel to mel vs original mel on the first quote you are referring to
camera comparison between mel original vs fel to mel: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6581
Capture card comparison Original MEL vs FEL to mel conversion: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/7017
EDIT:
the comparison you're probably talking about is fel vs mel... I may have messed up that comparison though. It's much easier to do a mistake when i do camera comparison (exposure EG) than the capture card comparison method.
also keep in mind that the camera(lossy) comparisons are amplifying the difference while the capture card(lossless) show the exact difference.
RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pmDual-layer FEL untouched VS Dual-layer MEL converted
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6565
the untouched FEL is brighter & has more punch, no doubt. But I think this is normal because I'm seeing the same kind(if not more) of difference when I compare the Spears and Munsil FEL & MEL
So in your opinion, what comparison is more accurate?RESET_9999 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:28 pmSpears and Munsil, x700 Original MEL vs FEL to mel conversion: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/7017
again, the first comparison (ragico sample) is FEL vs fel to mel (in other words: FEL vs MEL)
Ups sorry, I misunderstoodRESET_9999 wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:30 pmagain, the first comparison (london has fallen) is FEL vs fel to mel (in other words: FEL vs MEL)
and the other one is original MEL vs fel to mel. (in other words: MEL vs MEL)
you can't compare those.
my bad too hehe.. my wordings ( my english in general) is limited.
