Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[ghostshadow]

Managed to get 8.1 working on Zidoo z9X by using tsmuxer to combine with Atmos audio from UHD to create ISO. Then created MKV with MakeMKV. Only thing is audio is out of sync. Need to offset audio ahead by about half a second.

Playback gets juddery after about 5 minutes - unwatchable at that point

hello, in your mediainfo in your audio track you have:
Delay relative to video : -2 s 836 ms

[ghostshadow]

Zidoo Z9x VS10 :

BTW, I have placed this question on another thread, but in case Mark (or somebody else) knows the answer. How can we find out what the player is actually doing, while using LLDV ? I mean, I think I have properly converted a MEL DV bluray to MKV, and when I play it back on the Z10 pro, I am unable to verify if the conversion was sucessfull and the player is actually using the DV data on the file, or if it is simply treating it as HDR10.

On the OPPO 203, for instance, the info window shows how the source file is being interpreted as (DV, HDR10, SDR). Maybe there is a way somewhere to verify what the player is doing on the Zidoo as well.

This is something I'm a bit unclear on too - As far as I know, the player natively supports Profiles 5, 8 & 9 which are all single base layers plus RPU (Reference Processing Unit = metadata interleaved in the video stream).

But as we know, Profile 7 encoding is now leaning more towards MEL than FEL and with the Enhancement Layer omitted, that is simply a standard 10-bit HDR10 stream with a Dolby RPU interleaved (plus HDR10 SEI for backwards compatibility).

So when VS10 is playing out P7 MEL it's either HDR10 with HDR10 SEI converted into P5 or it's HDR10 with Dolby RPU converted into P5 which would basically be a colour map from BT.2020 to IPT since the RPU is the same for both. It all comes down to how the PQ curve is produced on the output - in other words, the tone map.

Unless of course you do as we are doing and introduce BT.2020 primaries in the Dolby block in the EDID, in which case there's no colour map needed so nothing really changes.

I'd like to think it's the latter but as always Dolby are playing their cards very close to their chest and I can't find any technical docs regarding how VS10 deals with this but it would make sense that the RPU is used.

[PapitaHD]

Another weekend is about to begin so you have a little time to try "the things" I write !
This time it's up to profile 8.1!
I have updated the POST we refer to during this testing phase.
Find all the instructions there.

This update "fixes" what was previously called "-mode 2".

The new lines of code should allow you to convert a UHD-BD (both MEL and FEL) in a file Single Track Single Layer profile 8.1 (STSL dvhe.08.0x, BL + RPU, HDR10 compatible).

All devices, especially TVs with proprietary OS, capable of playing profile 8 files (and which have so far encountered problems with DV) could benefit from this update.

Before starting, to find out if your device is able to correctly reproduce profile 8, use the test files that Dolby provides on THIS page

Happy testing!

As usual, amazing work yusesope! Thanks a lot!
I've tested the new SL method with several FEL and MEL titles and all of them worked perfectly both on M9702 and C8's internal player.

[yusesope]

I wonder if it is actually a profile 8 stream at all.

I hope Spears and his friend Munsil don't use my tool to create their BDs .
I therefore assume that the stream was obtained with certified software.
According to this logic it must necessarily be a MEL stream profile 7.

Interesting. What happens if we just discard the EL layer in this case? Do you think it is safe?

What Happens? A Dolby Engineer Dies !
Seriously, this is my idea:
If you decide to mark the stream as profile 7, the hardware decoder will process everything through two distinct Threads (one for EL and the other for BL) sharing, simultaneously, the information contained in the same RPU. In the case of BL, the mapping parameters (for the color component cmp) are used to predict the final HDR stream. In the case of EL, the inverse quantization parameters are used to process the EL signal. Clearly, in the case of a FEL stream, a decoding is needed otherwise, in the case of a MEL, hardcoded informations are used (decoding is therefore not necessary). Finally, the BL-derived HDR stream is added to the inverse quantized signal of EL to recreate the original HDR stream.
For the operation to be "thread-safe" it is necessary that the two streams (EL and BL) are perfectly aligned. The RPU they share does not contain any spatial references and does not contain any IDs. This is why it is important that the NALUs of EL (even if practically empty in the case of MEL) are maintained. The "context" of RPU is deduced from the "surrounding environment" common to BL and EL.
So, in this case, I don't think it's safe to remove EL.
I hope I’ve made myself clear.

The other option is to mark the stream as profile 8: you have to delete EL and modify the RPUs (e.g. el_spatial_resampling_filter_flag should be set to false).
We will find out in the future what other parameters will need to be changed!

[yusesope]

I'm testing this on Sunday

Let us know!

What's the benefit of Single Track Single Layer Profile 8.1?

The choice depends on what are the characteristics of your device.

• The device plays Dual Track Dual Layer FEL\MEL films -> you don't need my tool (e.g Sony X700)
• The device plays Single Track Dual Layer FEL\MEL films -> use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat (e.g Shield 2019)
• The device plays only Single Track Dual Layer MEL films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat in case of FEL films. Use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat in the case of MEL films. (e.g Fire Stick 4K)
• The device does not play neither FEL nor MEL Single Track Dual Layer films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat

I've tried the new -mode 2 with a FEL title (Atomic Blonde) and it plays on the Firestick 4K, while previous default (profile 7) just plays a black screen. So that's good news.
That's with an MKV (1.15.3) and ExoPlayer.

Unless it's automatically using -fel_to_mel when using, I didn't look.

The Dolby 8.1 sample also plays in DV as well using ExoPlayer, but not on the C8 internal player.
The tool created 8.1 plays well after mp4muxer --dv-profile 8 on the internal player but not Kodi or ExoPlayer (playback failed).

Thanks for the feedback

Managed to get 8.1 working on Zidoo z9X by using tsmuxer to combine with Atmos audio from UHD to create ISO. Then created MKV with MakeMKV. Only thing is audio is out of sync. Need to offset audio ahead by about half a second.

Playback gets juddery after about 5 minutes - unwatchable at that point

If you create a ts or mp4 file (profile 8.1 in both cases) does the same problem arise?
Ps: you don't need any special version of TsMuxeR. Use the programs you find in the post with the instructions.

A correction is needed to the mp4muxer command line for profile 8.1. It should be one of the following (not sure which)

You are right. I just corrected the command line. It was Friday ... I was already drunk ...

I tested them + 1 small conversion on oppo clone, all of them plays fine! Thank you!!!
................................
- 2 mins ts FEL->MEL sample: Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible

Did you mean UHD-BD -> profile 8?
FEL -> MEL is something else!
Thanks for the feedback!

Please I wanted to ask there no longer need to be used after MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81, use DEMUX step?
Thank you for the advice.

I don't think I understand your question!
However, after using MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat no DEMUX step is necessary.

Tried it in a Sony Xf90 and the default player doesn't play the demos, the exoplayer played it but has the same problem with the profile 7, red tones everywhere

Thanks anyway

Sorry man, your tv is really out of luck!

Hi yusesope, I'm encountering an unusual problem using beta method 2
.....
There's something definitely wrong with the Demux.bat.

Can you upload this BL_EL_RPU which is giving you problems?

..................
This leads me to think that the Shield issue is not FEL or MEL related, but that DoVi metadata is not properly handled by decoder

Very interesting. Let us know if the problem also occurs with other titles!

yusesope, you've created MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat in your new v0.0.4_BETA_TEST.

Code: Select all

python-3.7.6.amd64\python.exe src\app.py -mux -mode 2

but that's equal to mux.bat now.
I think you should delete -mode 2 in mux.bat so that mux.bat is the same as in earlier releases.

You are absolutely right. I forgot the switch there during one of my tests!

For all those who didn't understand what @spezi said, please re-download the test version again from THIS POST (I just edited it).

Thank you @spezi!!

I've tested the new SL method with several FEL and MEL titles and all of them worked perfectly both on M9702 and C8's internal player.

Thanks to you for your time.
The fact that the internal player of the LG has no problems is very important!

[whiplash1]

I'm testing this on Sunday

Let us know!

What's the benefit of Single Track Single Layer Profile 8.1?

The choice depends on what are the characteristics of your device.

• The device plays Dual Track Dual Layer FEL\MEL films -> you don't need my tool (e.g Sony X700)
• The device plays Single Track Dual Layer FEL\MEL films -> use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat (e.g Shield 2019)
• The device plays only Single Track Dual Layer MEL films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat in case of FEL films. Use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat in the case of MEL films. (e.g Fire Stick 4K)
• The device does not play neither FEL nor MEL Single Track Dual Layer films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat

I've tried the new -mode 2 with a FEL title (Atomic Blonde) and it plays on the Firestick 4K, while previous default (profile 7) just plays a black screen. So that's good news.
That's with an MKV (1.15.3) and ExoPlayer.

Unless it's automatically using -fel_to_mel when using, I didn't look.

The Dolby 8.1 sample also plays in DV as well using ExoPlayer, but not on the C8 internal player.
The tool created 8.1 plays well after mp4muxer --dv-profile 8 on the internal player but not Kodi or ExoPlayer (playback failed).

Thanks for the feedback

Managed to get 8.1 working on Zidoo z9X by using tsmuxer to combine with Atmos audio from UHD to create ISO. Then created MKV with MakeMKV. Only thing is audio is out of sync. Need to offset audio ahead by about half a second.

Playback gets juddery after about 5 minutes - unwatchable at that point

If you create a ts or mp4 file (profile 8.1 in both cases) does the same problem arise?
Ps: you don't need any special version of TsMuxeR. Use the programs you find in the post with the instructions.

A correction is needed to the mp4muxer command line for profile 8.1. It should be one of the following (not sure which)

You are right. I just corrected the command line. It was Friday ... I was already drunk ...

I tested them + 1 small conversion on oppo clone, all of them plays fine! Thank you!!!
................................
- 2 mins ts FEL->MEL sample: Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.08.06, BL+RPU, HDR10 compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible

Did you mean UHD-BD -> profile 8?
FEL -> MEL is something else!
Thanks for the feedback!

Please I wanted to ask there no longer need to be used after MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81, use DEMUX step?
Thank you for the advice.

I don't think I understand your question!
However, after using MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat no DEMUX step is necessary.

Tried it in a Sony Xf90 and the default player doesn't play the demos, the exoplayer played it but has the same problem with the profile 7, red tones everywhere

Thanks anyway

Sorry man, your tv is really out of luck!

Hi yusesope, I'm encountering an unusual problem using beta method 2
.....
There's something definitely wrong with the Demux.bat.

Can you upload this BL_EL_RPU which is giving you problems?

..................
This leads me to think that the Shield issue is not FEL or MEL related, but that DoVi metadata is not properly handled by decoder

Very interesting. Let us know if the problem also occurs with other titles!

yusesope, you've created MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_PROFILE_81.bat in your new v0.0.4_BETA_TEST.

Code: Select all

python-3.7.6.amd64\python.exe src\app.py -mux -mode 2

but that's equal to mux.bat now.
I think you should delete -mode 2 in mux.bat so that mux.bat is the same as in earlier releases.

You are absolutely right. I forgot the switch there during one of my tests!

For all those who didn't understand what @spezi said, please re-download the test version again from THIS POST (I just edited it).

Thank you @spezi!!

I've tested the new SL method with several FEL and MEL titles and all of them worked perfectly both on M9702 and C8's internal player.

Thanks to you for your time.
The fact that the internal player of the LG has no problems is very important!

Hi yusesope, problem is I'm getting varied results from the file. After many tries, it finally demuxed using 0.0.4 beta. This is the shorter clip btw. However I've had no luck demuxing the larger file. Can't upload that because it's too big! 71 GB. My question is, can I demux the larger BL_EL_RPU file using ffmeg again? I'm currently demuxing it with ffmpeg as we speak, however there's two lines in the command window that are worrying me.
There's two lines saying - Skipping NAL unit 63 and Skipping NAL unit 63.

Have a look here -
https://ibb.co/BKbhj34

[yusesope]

........I've had no luck demuxing the larger file.

ffmpeg is useless in this situation.
Unfortunately without a sample I can't tell you what's wrong!

Can you upload a cut where the problem is present?

I checked with a shorter clip (6 mins), same issue.

Does this clip still have the problem? Can you upload it (should only be 2GB)?

[whiplash1]

........I've had no luck demuxing the larger file.

ffmpeg is useless in this situation.
Unfortunately without a sample I can't tell you what's wrong!

Can you upload a cut where the problem is present?

I checked with a shorter clip (6 mins), same issue.

Does this clip still have the problem? Can you upload it (should only be 2GB)?

No, the shorter clip demuxed fine after a few tries. Actually it was from a different mt2s. However, the main title m2ts demuxed fine, muxes fine too into mux_and_convert_to_FEL.bat. But problems arise during demuxing it after that. I played the m2ts file using vlc, it plays just fine, all chapters/audio tracks/subtitles track, all fine. So I'm not sure where exactly lies the problem

Edit: Nevermind, I'm a retard. I just saw your replies. My device plays ONLY STDL MEL files, so for FEL title like Apocalypse Now I should have used Mux and convert to MEL.bat and then followed up with Demux and convert to MEL.bat. I had been using just Mux and convert to MEL.bat followed by Demux.bat. I'm now doing it over again. Will post results soon.

[yusesope]

I should have used Mux and convert to MEL.bat and then followed up with Demux and convert to MEL.bat....

No my friend!
You cannot use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat on the same file!
You would end up doing a mess ...
Please follow these instructions:

1. FEL TO MEL
   
   It goes without saying that these tests must be done on FEL titles. Do not use titles that are already MEL !!!!!
   
   • In the case of a Dual Track Dual Layer DV file (e.g. an m2ts file in the BDMV\STREAM folder)
     
     • Extract the base layer and the enhancement layer

       Code: Select all

       ffmpeg -i path\to\the\file.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:0 -c copy path\to\BL.hevc
       ffmpeg -i path\to\the\file.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:1 -c copy path\to\EL.hevc

     • Using my tool, double click on the MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat file and follow the instructions on the screen.
       You will get a BL_EL_RPU.hevc file
     • Create a TS file using the BL_EL_RPU.hevc file and TsMuxeR
       
       EXTRA (MP4):
       In case TsMuxeR does not return a working file, create an mp4 file

       Code: Select all

       mp4muxer -i path\to\BL_EL_RPU.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o path\to\TEST_FILE.mp4

       EXTRA (MKV):
       Using my tool, double click on "DEMUX.bat" and drag and drop BL_EL_RPU.hevc
       You will get a BL.hevc file and a EL_RPU.hevc file
       Import the two BL.hevc (as first) and EL_RPU.hevc (as second) into TsMuxeR and create an ISO file.
       Open the ISO with MakeMKV

[whiplash1]

I should have used Mux and convert to MEL.bat and then followed up with Demux and convert to MEL.bat....

No my friend!
You cannot use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat on the same file!
You would end up doing a mess ...
Please follow these instructions:

1. FEL TO MEL
   
   It goes without saying that these tests must be done on FEL titles. Do not use titles that are already MEL !!!!!
   
   • In the case of a Dual Track Dual Layer DV file (e.g. an m2ts file in the BDMV\STREAM folder)
     
     • Extract the base layer and the enhancement layer

       Code: Select all

       ffmpeg -i path\to\the\file.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:0 -c copy path\to\BL.hevc
       ffmpeg -i path\to\the\file.m2ts -ss 0 -t 120 -map 0:1 -c copy path\to\EL.hevc

     • Using my tool, double click on the MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat file and follow the instructions on the screen.
       You will get a BL_EL_RPU.hevc file
     • Create a TS file using the BL_EL_RPU.hevc file and TsMuxeR
       
       EXTRA (MP4):
       In case TsMuxeR does not return a working file, create an mp4 file

       Code: Select all

       mp4muxer -i path\to\BL_EL_RPU.hevc --dv-profile 7 -o path\to\TEST_FILE.mp4

       EXTRA (MKV):
       Using my tool, double click on "DEMUX.bat" and drag and drop BL_EL_RPU.hevc
       You will get a BL.hevc file and a EL_RPU.hevc file
       Import the two BL.hevc (as first) and EL_RPU.hevc (as second) into TsMuxeR and create an ISO file.
       Open the ISO with MakeMKV

Ah then I'm out of luck. Demux.bat has failed for me so far Might have to go the Profile 8 route.

[spezi]

yusesope:

The device plays only Single Track Dual Layer MEL films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat in case of FEL films. Use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat in the case of MEL films. (e.g Fire Stick 4K)

You mean DEMUX.bat, right?

[RESET_9999]

I've tested notrious MI:Fallout scene on Shield TV and ... nope, still reddish blocks.
Files are here https://gofile.io/d/JZUXU6
This leads me to think that the Shield issue is not FEL or MEL related, but that DoVi metadata is not properly handled by decoder
Thats why some FEL/MEL titles have no issues while other have.
But without proper tools it's impossible to catch a difference in meta.

Doctor Sleep genuine BL_RPU profile 5 on Movies Anywhere and Vudu does not have the reddish blocks issue so i dont think the problem is the metadata but is how the file is made and is how the shield decode it.
I don't own MI:Fallout on Vudu but im sure it plays without issue on the shield.
I will compare @yusesope single layer bl_rpu P8 vs genuine single layer bl_rpu P5 this weekend.

[yusesope]

Ah then I'm out of luck. Demux.bat has failed for me so far Might have to go the Profile 8 route.

Don't give up and try other movies too!

yusesope:

The device plays only Single Track Dual Layer MEL films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat in case of FEL films. Use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat in the case of MEL films. (e.g Fire Stick 4K)

You mean DEMUX.bat, right?

No, I meant just what I wrote.
If your device can only play MEL titles, then, in the case of a FEL movie, you will have to use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat. The first in the case of a Dual Track Dual Layer DV file and the second in the case of a Single Track Dual Layer DV file.
Both ".bat" files are interleaved in the conversion process. Which one to use depends on the type of file you have at the start!
I thought it was clear especially after writing a kilometer of instructions!

Doctor Sleep genuine BL_RPU profile 5 on Movies Anywhere and Vudu does not have the reddish blocks issue so i dont think the problem is the metadata but is how the file is made and is how the shield decode it.
I don't own MI:Fallout on Vudu but im sure it plays without issue on the shield.
I will compare @yusesope single layer bl_rpu P8 vs genuine single layer bl_rpu P5 this weekend.

I'm already going to make popcorn !
I look forward to your comparisons as much as an episode of my favorite TV series !

[spezi]

yusesope:

spezi wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:18 pm
yusesope:

The device plays only Single Track Dual Layer MEL films -> use MUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat and DEMUX_AND_CONVERT_TO_MEL.bat in case of FEL films. Use MUX.bat and DEMUX.bat in the case of MEL films. (e.g Fire Stick 4K)

You mean DEMUX.bat, right?

No, I meant just what I wrote.

I see. Thanks.

[blenky]

Managed to get 8.1 working on Zidoo z9X by using tsmuxer to combine with Atmos audio from UHD to create ISO. Then created MKV with MakeMKV. Only thing is audio is out of sync. Need to offset audio ahead by about half a second.

Playback gets juddery after about 5 minutes - unwatchable at that point

hello, in your mediainfo in your audio track you have:
Delay relative to video : -2 s 836 ms

I didn't add any delay. Each time I mux the hevc file and the atmos audio from the UHD it puts in that automatically