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deadchip12 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 9:36 am

MartyMcNuts wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 3:27 am Yes, I re-encoded the BL at approx 25000k.

Here is the mediainfo for the MP4 & the first TS:

Video #1
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : hev1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 28 s 895 ms
Bit rate : 27.1 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 176 pixels
Original height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.054
Stream size : 93.2 MiB (91%)
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 5180 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light : 1577 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Video #2
ID : 2
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.09, EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 28 s 928 ms
Bit rate : 2 636 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.021
Stream size : 9.09 MiB (9%)
Language : English
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Tagged date : UTC 2020-05-26 02:37:14
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color pri : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0010 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

How did you make a profile 4 dolby vision mp4 like this? Could you let me know the steps? Previously I used profile 7 (and maybe 5 or 6) and the file always stuttered. Not sure if this time it plays smoothly because of profile 4 or lower bitrate.

MartyMcNuts wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 11:33 am To make the mp4, I used the Dolby Vision MP4Muxer from the first post (using my re-encoded BL and the EL) with command:

mp4muxer_64bits.exe --dv-profile 4 --input-file (BL.hevc) --input-file (EL.hevc) --output-file (test_sample.mp4)

kazuma wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:29 am since yesterday i'm using the M9702 player. The DV PQ is far better in 4K iso, comparing to the profile 7 mp4's. i'm curious what the reason is? are we getting fake DV with mp4? or is the PQ of the box so good?

kazuma wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:29 am since yesterday i'm using the M9702 player. The DV PQ is far better in 4K iso, comparing to the profile 7 mp4's. i'm curious what the reason is? are we getting fake DV with mp4? or is the PQ of the box so good?

PapitaHD wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:59 am

stephon1024 wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:28 am

PapitaHD wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 9:15 am

I've experimented a lot, re-encoding the BL layer with staxrip/x265 and 0.0.4alfa always merged it with EL without any problem. Also I have an m9702 so I can just mux the re-encoded BL and EL into full UHD BDVM structure (with tsMuxeR) and DV works. I spent hours by testing the results (re-encoded BL+EL), comparing them scene by scene to the HDR10 base layer and also to the full untouched UHD BluRay on my LG C8 Oled and I really beleive this method works perfectly. I've never noticed any difference between the files with re-encoded BL and the full UHD BluRays, but the differences were pretty significant comparing them to the untouched HDR10-base layer. I used the following movies for my tests: Aquaman, The Meg, Fantastic Beasts 2, Midway, Game of Thrones S08E03.
Using the right x265 settings, only the bitrate will be lower but everything else (including the HDR10 metadata) will be the same as in the original BL so I don't see why wouldn't it work.

PapitaHD - appreciate the feedback. I'm going to grab staxrip and see what I can do. Anything I should know about what x265 settings to use when doing this?

Thanks,

You should always use crf, and also check the following settings in the x265 options menu of staxrip:
Vui page: HDR10 - yes; Block-level luma and chroma QP optimization for HDR10 content - check this box
Slice Decision page: Open gop - uncheck (no open-GOP); min GOP size 1, Max GOP size 24

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:09 pm

PapitaHD wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:59 am

stephon1024 wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:28 am

PapitaHD - appreciate the feedback. I'm going to grab staxrip and see what I can do. Anything I should know about what x265 settings to use when doing this?

Thanks,

You should always use crf, and also check the following settings in the x265 options menu of staxrip:
Vui page: HDR10 - yes; Block-level luma and chroma QP optimization for HDR10 content - check this box
Slice Decision page: Open gop - uncheck (no open-GOP); min GOP size 1, Max GOP size 24

Hey Papita, thanks so much for the help. I'm encoding with these settings right now.

I'll report back when it's done and let you know. Out of curiosity, did you even touch the EL layer? I'm hoping this works by simply compressing the BL layer...

The nice thing is that TS muxer should then be able to take the BL+EL+RPU and mux it into a 04.06 TS file. That's what I did before with the uncompressed bluray layers and it "worked" on my C9... but again like I said, my C9's SOC can't handle full UHDs and that makes sense... it's not a 4K UHD bluray player... It's at best designed to playback highly compressed streams. So i'm hoping simply compressing these will fix the issue.

Again, thanks for the help! Looking forward to getting this DV rips working without a UHD bluray player!

When I'm done with this... I'm going to post a big post with my full workflow from the actual disk backup using makemkv to the final output that plays back using a USB disk on my LG C9. Hopefully that helps everyone on this forum. Appreciate all the great feedback, what an awesome community!!!!

shawnc22 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:37 pm have you tried muxing a downsampled BL with the original EL using mp4muxer?

wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=175243 / level-idc=51 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=5 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=24 / keyint=240 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / no-strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=-2:-2 / no-sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=0 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=crf / crf=15.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / vbv-maxrate=160000 / vbv-bufsize=160000 / vbv-init=0.9 / crf-max=0.0 / crf-min=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=2 / chromaloc-bottom=2 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(40000000,50) / cll=992,120 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr / hdr-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=5 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qp

shawnc22 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:37 pm

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:09 pm

PapitaHD wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 7:59 am

You should always use crf, and also check the following settings in the x265 options menu of staxrip:
Vui page: HDR10 - yes; Block-level luma and chroma QP optimization for HDR10 content - check this box
Slice Decision page: Open gop - uncheck (no open-GOP); min GOP size 1, Max GOP size 24

Hey Papita, thanks so much for the help. I'm encoding with these settings right now.

I'll report back when it's done and let you know. Out of curiosity, did you even touch the EL layer? I'm hoping this works by simply compressing the BL layer...

The nice thing is that TS muxer should then be able to take the BL+EL+RPU and mux it into a 04.06 TS file. That's what I did before with the uncompressed bluray layers and it "worked" on my C9... but again like I said, my C9's SOC can't handle full UHDs and that makes sense... it's not a 4K UHD bluray player... It's at best designed to playback highly compressed streams. So i'm hoping simply compressing these will fix the issue.

Again, thanks for the help! Looking forward to getting this DV rips working without a UHD bluray player!

When I'm done with this... I'm going to post a big post with my full workflow from the actual disk backup using makemkv to the final output that plays back using a USB disk on my LG C9. Hopefully that helps everyone on this forum. Appreciate all the great feedback, what an awesome community!!!!

People have always had mixed results with DV TS file playback on the LG internal player. With full rips, some have worked flawlessly and some will stutter to no end. I've always suggested that if the LG internal player is your only playback device, leave tsmuxer alone and stick to the old mp4muxer method. TSMuxer's main advantage is the ability to mux in both dolby vision and truehd dolby atmos audio tracks. If you're using the TV for playback, the atmos audio track does nothing for you. Have you tried muxing a downsampled BL with the original EL using mp4muxer?

dontknowjack wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 1:19 pm So guys is MakeMKV preserving DV metadata/tracks/etc when remuxing into the mkvs? I want to be sure as I want a 1:1 copy of the movie (not the whole blu-ray) on my computer, I don't care if there is playing support or not, I just want all the data from the m2ts file in the mkv, is that possible/is that what currently MakeMKV is doing?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but there are 160 pages on this topic.

kazuma wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:29 am since yesterday i'm using the M9702 player. The DV PQ is far better in 4K iso, comparing to the profile 7 mp4's. i'm curious what the reason is? are we getting fake DV with mp4? or is the PQ of the box so good?

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 11:10 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:37 pm

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:09 pm

Hey Papita, thanks so much for the help. I'm encoding with these settings right now.

I'll report back when it's done and let you know. Out of curiosity, did you even touch the EL layer? I'm hoping this works by simply compressing the BL layer...

The nice thing is that TS muxer should then be able to take the BL+EL+RPU and mux it into a 04.06 TS file. That's what I did before with the uncompressed bluray layers and it "worked" on my C9... but again like I said, my C9's SOC can't handle full UHDs and that makes sense... it's not a 4K UHD bluray player... It's at best designed to playback highly compressed streams. So i'm hoping simply compressing these will fix the issue.

Again, thanks for the help! Looking forward to getting this DV rips working without a UHD bluray player!

When I'm done with this... I'm going to post a big post with my full workflow from the actual disk backup using makemkv to the final output that plays back using a USB disk on my LG C9. Hopefully that helps everyone on this forum. Appreciate all the great feedback, what an awesome community!!!!

People have always had mixed results with DV TS file playback on the LG internal player. With full rips, some have worked flawlessly and some will stutter to no end. I've always suggested that if the LG internal player is your only playback device, leave tsmuxer alone and stick to the old mp4muxer method. TSMuxer's main advantage is the ability to mux in both dolby vision and truehd dolby atmos audio tracks. If you're using the TV for playback, the atmos audio track does nothing for you. Have you tried muxing a downsampled BL with the original EL using mp4muxer?

Hey Shawn,

Appreciate the comment.

Yeah i tried the MP4 method and no dice there either. As I stated in a previous post, I can get a "playable" file using the mp4muxer method just like the TSmuxer method - they just stutter like crazy. Since I got the same result using multiple methods I'm starting to think it's a bottleneck with the C9's SOC (system on chip) at the extremely high bitrate the raw BL+EL+RPU file (created using Yusesope's tool) has with no treatment off the disc. It's meant for streaming content from Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ (which has Dolby Vision!) that is compressed (internet... obvi!). It's not a 4K UHD player designed to handle extremely high bitrate multi-layer multi-stream content.

I don't believe it's a compatibility issue as much as a total bitrate issue, but I'll know soon enough. And the TrueHD does matter to me as I'll be running this through a receiver in the future with support for lossless audio, but honestly - TS muxer is just easy to use and LG TV's support TS video format (so does Plex) so I really don't care about the container. I'm mostly concerned with getting a compressed BL layer to merge properly with an EL layer using Yusesope's tool. I think that's my key. Then with a significantly smaller BL+EL+RPU I can either use TSmuxer or mp4muxer to create the final output - at that point it doesn't really matter.

Once I have that... I think I'll be golden.

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 11:10 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:37 pm

stephon1024 wrote: Thu May 28, 2020 10:09 pm

Hey Papita, thanks so much for the help. I'm encoding with these settings right now.

I'll report back when it's done and let you know. Out of curiosity, did you even touch the EL layer? I'm hoping this works by simply compressing the BL layer...

The nice thing is that TS muxer should then be able to take the BL+EL+RPU and mux it into a 04.06 TS file. That's what I did before with the uncompressed bluray layers and it "worked" on my C9... but again like I said, my C9's SOC can't handle full UHDs and that makes sense... it's not a 4K UHD bluray player... It's at best designed to playback highly compressed streams. So i'm hoping simply compressing these will fix the issue.

Again, thanks for the help! Looking forward to getting this DV rips working without a UHD bluray player!

When I'm done with this... I'm going to post a big post with my full workflow from the actual disk backup using makemkv to the final output that plays back using a USB disk on my LG C9. Hopefully that helps everyone on this forum. Appreciate all the great feedback, what an awesome community!!!!

People have always had mixed results with DV TS file playback on the LG internal player. With full rips, some have worked flawlessly and some will stutter to no end. I've always suggested that if the LG internal player is your only playback device, leave tsmuxer alone and stick to the old mp4muxer method. TSMuxer's main advantage is the ability to mux in both dolby vision and truehd dolby atmos audio tracks. If you're using the TV for playback, the atmos audio track does nothing for you. Have you tried muxing a downsampled BL with the original EL using mp4muxer?

Hey Shawn,

Appreciate the comment.

Yeah i tried the MP4 method and no dice there either. As I stated in a previous post, I can get a "playable" file using the mp4muxer method just like the TSmuxer method - they just stutter like crazy. Since I got the same result using multiple methods I'm starting to think it's a bottleneck with the C9's SOC (system on chip) at the extremely high bitrate the raw BL+EL+RPU file (created using Yusesope's tool) has with no treatment off the disc. It's meant for streaming content from Netflix, Hulu, Disney+ (which has Dolby Vision!) that is compressed (internet... obvi!). It's not a 4K UHD player designed to handle extremely high bitrate multi-layer multi-stream content.

I don't believe it's a compatibility issue as much as a total bitrate issue, but I'll know soon enough. And the TrueHD does matter to me as I'll be running this through a receiver in the future with support for lossless audio, but honestly - TS muxer is just easy to use and LG TV's support TS video format (so does Plex) so I really don't care about the container. I'm mostly concerned with getting a compressed BL layer to merge properly with an EL layer using Yusesope's tool. I think that's my key. Then with a significantly smaller BL+EL+RPU I can either use TSmuxer or mp4muxer to create the final output - at that point it doesn't really matter.

Once I have that... I think I'll be golden.