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ragico wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:55 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 pm

ragico wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:32 pm

Gemini man is 60 fps and plays correctly at 60 fps on my nvidia tube shield. Films at 24 fps play at 24 fps.
I compared on several movies the nvidia against the internal player of Lg C8 and Sony x700 BD and cannot find colour issues of any kind. Be sure the shield runs the latest firmware dated 26 february
On shield I use the latest plex app v.7.31.0

Do you by any chance have saving private ryan? It's the only film where I've noticed that color issues on the Shield distinctively apart from the LG internal player.

Yes, Saving private Ryan has some strange issue but I will not call it as colour issue. It is like a lamp wich brightens and darkens on some very bright scenes especially at the cemetery and on the beach. Therefore I've played the file on Lg C8 internal player and on Sony X700 and they gave the same result. So I did the mp4 with dolby original muxer and played it again. Of course the shield played it as HDR because it does not support DV double layer profile 7. But the C8 played it perfectly without that strange issue. Same with Sony X700. So my conclusion is that, for some reason, yusesope tool or the latest mkv process is responsible for the issue on this movie.

Ah yeah that's exactly what I've been seeing. I did the same kind of dual track prof 7 tests as well with mp4muxer and they all play without that strange effect on my B9's internal player. The only difference I encountered was I also made a video only clip of the first twenty minutes using yusecope's tool and then muxed it into a TS with the latest commit of tsmuxer. The resulting profile 6 video triggers DV, plays without issue on my B9 and doesn't have that strange effect. It looks the same as the dual track files from mp4muxer as far as my eyes are concerned. The same file then played back on the shield will have that effect, which leads me to believe that it might still be a shield issue. Or a combination of both perhaps? I also muxed that same video track from yusecope's tool into an mp4 with profile 7 and had no issues as well playing back on the B9.

shawnc22 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:43 pm

ragico wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:55 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 pm

Do you by any chance have saving private ryan? It's the only film where I've noticed that color issues on the Shield distinctively apart from the LG internal player.

Yes, Saving private Ryan has some strange issue but I will not call it as colour issue. It is like a lamp wich brightens and darkens on some very bright scenes especially at the cemetery and on the beach. Therefore I've played the file on Lg C8 internal player and on Sony X700 and they gave the same result. So I did the mp4 with dolby original muxer and played it again. Of course the shield played it as HDR because it does not support DV double layer profile 7. But the C8 played it perfectly without that strange issue. Same with Sony X700. So my conclusion is that, for some reason, yusesope tool or the latest mkv process is responsible for the issue on this movie.

Ah yeah that's exactly what I've been seeing. I did the same kind of dual track prof 7 tests as well with mp4muxer and they all play without that strange effect on my B9's internal player. The only difference I encountered was I also made a video only clip of the first twenty minutes using yusecope's tool and then muxed it into a TS with the latest commit of tsmuxer. The resulting profile 6 video triggers DV, plays without issue on my B9 and doesn't have that strange effect. It looks the same as the dual track files from mp4muxer as far as my eyes are concerned. The same file then played back on the shield will have that effect, which leads me to believe that it might still be a shield issue. Or a combination of both perhaps? I also muxed that same video track from yusecope's tool into an mp4 with profile 7 and had no issues as well playing back on the B9.

Specific timestamps please, I would like to test a profile 5 file I have to see if this is present there also.

Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:52 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:43 pm

ragico wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:55 pm
Yes, Saving private Ryan has some strange issue but I will not call it as colour issue. It is like a lamp wich brightens and darkens on some very bright scenes especially at the cemetery and on the beach. Therefore I've played the file on Lg C8 internal player and on Sony X700 and they gave the same result. So I did the mp4 with dolby original muxer and played it again. Of course the shield played it as HDR because it does not support DV double layer profile 7. But the C8 played it perfectly without that strange issue. Same with Sony X700. So my conclusion is that, for some reason, yusesope tool or the latest mkv process is responsible for the issue on this movie.

Ah yeah that's exactly what I've been seeing. I did the same kind of dual track prof 7 tests as well with mp4muxer and they all play without that strange effect on my B9's internal player. The only difference I encountered was I also made a video only clip of the first twenty minutes using yusecope's tool and then muxed it into a TS with the latest commit of tsmuxer. The resulting profile 6 video triggers DV, plays without issue on my B9 and doesn't have that strange effect. It looks the same as the dual track files from mp4muxer as far as my eyes are concerned. The same file then played back on the shield will have that effect, which leads me to believe that it might still be a shield issue. Or a combination of both perhaps? I also muxed that same video track from yusecope's tool into an mp4 with profile 7 and had no issues as well playing back on the B9.

Specific timestamps please, I would like to test a profile 5 file I have to see if this is present there also.

Oh that's a good idea with profile 5. In regards to timestamps, you can really notice it throughout the whole first 3-4 minutes in the cemetery, just constant flickering. Maybe around the 2:30 mark when the flags are shown against the blue sky in the background is when it's most noticeable.

shawnc22 wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:09 am

Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:52 pm

shawnc22 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:43 pm

Ah yeah that's exactly what I've been seeing. I did the same kind of dual track prof 7 tests as well with mp4muxer and they all play without that strange effect on my B9's internal player. The only difference I encountered was I also made a video only clip of the first twenty minutes using yusecope's tool and then muxed it into a TS with the latest commit of tsmuxer. The resulting profile 6 video triggers DV, plays without issue on my B9 and doesn't have that strange effect. It looks the same as the dual track files from mp4muxer as far as my eyes are concerned. The same file then played back on the shield will have that effect, which leads me to believe that it might still be a shield issue. Or a combination of both perhaps? I also muxed that same video track from yusecope's tool into an mp4 with profile 7 and had no issues as well playing back on the B9.

Specific timestamps please, I would like to test a profile 5 file I have to see if this is present there also.

Oh that's a good idea with profile 5. In regards to timestamps, you can really notice it throughout the whole first 3-4 minutes in the cemetery, just constant flickering. Maybe around the 2:30 mark when the flags are shown against the blue sky in the background is when it's most noticeable.

Saving Private Ryan:

Profile 5 (This one was made using DVDFab, this was before the current tools were available)
This is an .mp4 with DTS-HD MA 7.1 muxed in.
I would assume the same results using the current tools based off of the below.

2019 Shield - Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing. (old player with match frame rate on, verified using service menu on TV)
LG C8 - Native Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing.
ATV4K - Infuse App, NO flickering, plays back perfectly from what I can see. (Match content & Frame Rate on, verified using service menu on TV)

The ATV4K Profile 5 is still my go to right now, I have had zero issues with this setup so far making movies profile 5 and playing them with infuse.
Color seems accurate, match frame rate always works. My system does a good job at upmixing the Multi Channel PCM 7.1 it outputs so I get the "Atmos Effect"

If someone can convince me there is a noticeable difference playing these files with profile 5 (no EL) vs a profile 6 (with EL) I would love to see some comparisons.

Right now I'm making Profile 5 with Atmos (.ts files) and playing them with Infuse and have seen all the "issues" everyone is finding not there.
Saving Private Ryan, Doctor Sleep, Joker Ect....

Maybe someday Nvidia will get this updated and working

Angryunibrow wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:53 am Saving Private Ryan:

Profile 5 (This one was made using DVDFab, this was before the current tools were available)
This is an .mp4 with DTS-HD MA 7.1 muxed in.
I would assume the same results using the current tools based off of the below.

2019 Shield - Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing. (old player with match frame rate on, verified using service menu on TV)
LG C8 - Native Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing.
ATV4K - Infuse App, NO flickering, plays back perfectly from what I can see. (Match content & Frame Rate on, verified using service menu on TV)

The ATV4K Profile 5 is still my go to right now, I have had zero issues with this setup so far making movies profile 5 and playing them with infuse.
Color seems accurate, match frame rate always works. My system does a good job at upmixing the Multi Channel PCM 7.1 it outputs so I get the "Atmos Effect"

If someone can convince me there is a noticeable difference playing these files with profile 5 (no EL) vs a profile 6 (with EL) I would love to see some comparisons.

Right now I'm making Profile 5 with Atmos (.ts files) and playing them with Infuse and have seen all the "issues" everyone is finding not there.
Saving Private Ryan, Doctor Sleep, Joker Ect....

Maybe someday Nvidia will get this updated and working

Yep I just tried mp4muxer and tsmuxer with profile 5 and -mode 2 of yusecope's tool and pretty much same results. But there was one version that played in DV without issue on the shield, the streaming version off of VUDU . Honestly though, this is the only film that's had issues to this extent on the shield. I can live with the slightly saturated colors on some of the other reported movies; it's the audio that's more important to me. If the new AppleTV coming out this year comes with better lossless audio support, I'll definitely be jumping ships.

shawnc22 wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:15 am I can live with the slightly saturated colors on some of the other reported movies

I'm waiting for shields to come back in stock to snag one, wondering if the issue is something that a custom TV preset would Band-Aid for now? maybe lower the Red, Green, and Color sliders a bit?

Grencola wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:51 am

shawnc22 wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:15 am I can live with the slightly saturated colors on some of the other reported movies

I'm waiting for shields to come back in stock to snag one, wondering if the issue is something that a custom TV preset would Band-Aid for now? maybe lower the Red, Green, and Color sliders a bit?

Sure that'd probably work, but it really hasn't bothered me that much to the point of needing to do it.

shawnc22 wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:48 am Sure that'd probably work, but it really hasn't bothered me that much to the point of needing to do it.

Fair enough, I haven't seen it for myself.

ATD555 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:00 pm

darrrkmanxxx wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm guys, sorry for the question, but where can I download the Yusesope tool? I searched no for an hour and didn't find a link

HERE you go

Thank you so much, are there any guides on how to use that?

ATD555 wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:00 pm

darrrkmanxxx wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm guys, sorry for the question, but where can I download the Yusesope tool? I searched no for an hour and didn't find a link

HERE you go

Isn't that the 2nd version? I thought we currently were to the 0.0.3 one.

shawnc22 wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:15 am

Angryunibrow wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:53 am Saving Private Ryan:

Profile 5 (This one was made using DVDFab, this was before the current tools were available)
This is an .mp4 with DTS-HD MA 7.1 muxed in.
I would assume the same results using the current tools based off of the below.

2019 Shield - Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing. (old player with match frame rate on, verified using service menu on TV)
LG C8 - Native Plex App, flickering occurs like you are describing.
ATV4K - Infuse App, NO flickering, plays back perfectly from what I can see. (Match content & Frame Rate on, verified using service menu on TV)

The ATV4K Profile 5 is still my go to right now, I have had zero issues with this setup so far making movies profile 5 and playing them with infuse.
Color seems accurate, match frame rate always works. My system does a good job at upmixing the Multi Channel PCM 7.1 it outputs so I get the "Atmos Effect"

If someone can convince me there is a noticeable difference playing these files with profile 5 (no EL) vs a profile 6 (with EL) I would love to see some comparisons.

Right now I'm making Profile 5 with Atmos (.ts files) and playing them with Infuse and have seen all the "issues" everyone is finding not there.
Saving Private Ryan, Doctor Sleep, Joker Ect....

Maybe someday Nvidia will get this updated and working

Yep I just tried mp4muxer and tsmuxer with profile 5 and -mode 2 of yusecope's tool and pretty much same results. But there was one version that played in DV without issue on the shield, the streaming version off of VUDU . Honestly though, this is the only film that's had issues to this extent on the shield. I can live with the slightly saturated colors on some of the other reported movies; it's the audio that's more important to me. If the new AppleTV coming out this year comes with better lossless audio support, I'll definitely be jumping ships.

So, I also noticed the same effect on Saving Private Ryan with profile 6, did anybody tried with profile 4? In any case I suppose that result won't change.

EDIT: I tried by myself with profile 4 but I get the same issue...

@shawnc22

Saving private Ryan

I tried also yusesope tool and .ts profile 6 using the latest nightly tsmuxer.
On the shield still the flicking problem as you said. The file does not play in Lg C8 via Plex/Emby. Just black screen.
It plays flawlessly in Sony X700 via dlna from plex server including pgs subtitles and Dolby Atmos.
That was the best performance, indistinguishable from the original UHD disc played trough the same Sony X700.

Then i used the same profile 6 for muxing the mkv made by the latest version. To my surprise the resulting ts gave black screen on shield and did not play in Sony X700: What is going on?????

ragico wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:58 pm @shawnc22

Saving private Ryan

I tried also yusesope tool and .ts profile 6 using the latest nightly tsmuxer.
On the shield still the flicking problem as you said. The file does not play in Lg C8 via Plex/Emby. Just black screen.
It plays flawlessly in Sony X700 via dlna from plex server including pgs subtitles and Dolby Atmos.
That was the best performance, indistinguishable from the original UHD disc played trough the same Sony X700.

Then i used the same profile 6 for muxing the mkv made by the latest version. To my surprise the resulting ts gave black screen on shield and did not play in Sony X700: What is going on?????

So, it seem like purely a Shield issue...
I also tried the last version of MakeMKV and I get the same trouble, I thinks we need to wait for further releases.

ragico wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:58 pm Then i used the same profile 6 for muxing the mkv made by the latest version. To my surprise the resulting ts gave black screen on shield and did not play in Sony X700: What is going on?????

I’m guessing if you go into plex and look at the resulting ts, it will show no video track, but mediainfo will show that everything is fine. I had originally thought that this problem was isolated to hdr10+ films but it definitely seems more widespread than that. It’s an issue with the combination of latest tsmuxer build (ac9b47c was the one I’m on) and the video track that makemkv is now creating. This build works fine with the track that yusecope’s tool generates. There’s just something it doesn’t like about the mkv’s track, but if you go back a few weeks to an earlier build (not sure which exact one yet, but 3-27 or 3-28 nightly should work), the mkv’s video track will work fine in creating a playable DV TS just like yusecope’s tool. It also has nothing to do with profiles as changing the latest build to produce profile 4 files results in the same issue.

Maybe this is just my computer, but something else I’ve noticed with the recent builds of tsmuxer is that regardless of which video track was used and whether or not it plays with video on plex, if you right click on the TS file in Windows, go down to Properties and look under the Details tab, the width, height, and frame rate information is all missing. TS files generated with earlier builds of tsmuxer did have all these information filled in. Not sure if it’s related to the other problem at all, but just thought it was interesting.

Sgt Hartman wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:31 pm

ragico wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:58 pm @shawnc22

Saving private Ryan

I tried also yusesope tool and .ts profile 6 using the latest nightly tsmuxer.
On the shield still the flicking problem as you said. The file does not play in Lg C8 via Plex/Emby. Just black screen.
It plays flawlessly in Sony X700 via dlna from plex server including pgs subtitles and Dolby Atmos.
That was the best performance, indistinguishable from the original UHD disc played trough the same Sony X700.

Then i used the same profile 6 for muxing the mkv made by the latest version. To my surprise the resulting ts gave black screen on shield and did not play in Sony X700: What is going on?????

So, it seem like purely a Shield issue...
I also tried the last version of MakeMKV and I get the same trouble, I thinks we need to wait for further releases.

I think it's a Plex issue. Recently Plex updated the app on Fire TV, all DV videos are black screen now ( except a few ), but audio works