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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 pm
by Grencola
FusionNeo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:45 pm
mrhollywood wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:38 pm
So what's the current preferred player for DV? I'm currently using the emby app on my C9, which works pretty well but the ethernet port is only 100mbs and there's no way to use lossless audio. The X700 still only has 100mbs LAN, and I'd rather use some kind of native app instead of messing around with DLNA. The Shield seems like a good choice, but I'd really like to have dual layer support.
You’ve pretty much summed up the pros and cons of each one pretty well.
The only other player I know of is the M9702, which is an OPPO UDP-203 clone. Do some research, there is a website that does a group buy for $320 but the normal selling price is $400. It has a 1Gb Ethernet port but you’re still limited to DLNA, can’t use Plex.
Unfortunately no player has it all.
Give it time though, if you can use eARC on the C9 then if the tsMuxer people can figure out why the files won’t playback on the LG OLED TVs and fix that bug you’ll have lossless audio with DV and Emby. You'll still be limited by that 100Mbps Ethernet port though.
I'm keeping my eye on this device:
https://theminixforum.com/index.php?thr ... 2020.2404/ hoping it will be the first to do dual-layer as it's been requested to the devs for months during production, and they've already said the full dolby license has been paid. it's not an official Netflix or Amazon etc certified device, so if it can't do dv with DRM services, I don't see why else they need a dolby vision license. anyway it's out in 3 weeks so we'll see.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:34 pm
by kazuma
Grencola wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 pm
FusionNeo wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:45 pm
mrhollywood wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:38 pm
So what's the current preferred player for DV? I'm currently using the emby app on my C9, which works pretty well but the ethernet port is only 100mbs and there's no way to use lossless audio. The X700 still only has 100mbs LAN, and I'd rather use some kind of native app instead of messing around with DLNA. The Shield seems like a good choice, but I'd really like to have dual layer support.
You’ve pretty much summed up the pros and cons of each one pretty well.
The only other player I know of is the M9702, which is an OPPO UDP-203 clone. Do some research, there is a website that does a group buy for $320 but the normal selling price is $400. It has a 1Gb Ethernet port but you’re still limited to DLNA, can’t use Plex.
Unfortunately no player has it all.
Give it time though, if you can use eARC on the C9 then if the tsMuxer people can figure out why the files won’t playback on the LG OLED TVs and fix that bug you’ll have lossless audio with DV and Emby. You'll still be limited by that 100Mbps Ethernet port though.
I'm keeping my eye on this device:
https://theminixforum.com/index.php?thr ... 2020.2404/ hoping it will be the first to do dual-layer as it's been requested to the devs for months during production, and they've already said the full dolby license has been paid. it's not an official Netflix or Amazon etc certified device, so if it can't do dv with DRM services, I don't see why else they need a dolby vision license. anyway it's out in 3 weeks so we'll see.
i don't know how you did it, but you're tool works better then dvdfab...
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm
by yusesope
Here are several clips of 23 seconds each relating to the Joker movie (with the iconic scene that has been discussed
HERE on the Plex forum).
You can also find the original HEVC raw streams
*** and those obtained with my program (the BL_EL_RPU version
HERE, and the second BL_RPU iteration
HERE).
I also muxed the Bluray disc with DVDFab and after an analysis with a hexadecimal editor, the file obtained is identical to what can be obtained with my program - second iteration)
If you want to share files on other forums too, there is no problem for me.
EDIT by Mike: MKV files for samples above -
http://www.makemkv.com/download/dv/
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ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:0 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_BL.hevc
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:1 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_EL.hevc
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:52 pm
by ATD555
yusesope wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm
Here are several clips of 23 seconds each relating to the Joker movie (with the iconic scene that has been discussed
HERE on the Plex forum).
You can also find the original HEVC raw streams
*** and those obtained with my program (the BL_EL_RPU version
HERE, and the second BL_RPU iteration
HERE).
I also muxed the Bluray disc with DVDFab and after an analysis with a hexadecimal editor, the file obtained is identical to what can be obtained with my program - second iteration)
If you want to share files on other forums too, there is no problem for me.
***
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ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:0 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_BL.hevc
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:1 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_EL.hevc
This will be good for testing/comparison. So have we just essentially found out how DVDFab has been making their Single Layer DV files?
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:58 pm
by yusesope
ATD555 wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:52 pm
This will be good for testing/comparison. So have we just essentially found out how DVDFab has been making their Single Layer DV files?
I really think so. If you have desire and patience, you can check for yourself.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:15 pm
by hepe9
yusesope wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm
Here are several clips of 23 seconds each relating to the Joker movie (with the iconic scene that has been discussed
HERE on the Plex forum).
You can also find the original HEVC raw streams
*** and those obtained with my program (the BL_EL_RPU version
HERE, and the second BL_RPU iteration
HERE).
I also muxed the Bluray disc with DVDFab and after an analysis with a hexadecimal editor, the file obtained is identical to what can be obtained with my program - second iteration)
If you want to share files on other forums too, there is no problem for me.
***
Code: Select all
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:0 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_BL.hevc
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:1 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_EL.hevc
Wow
This is the perfect comparasion
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:16 pm
by ATD555
yusesope wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:58 pm
ATD555 wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:52 pm
This will be good for testing/comparison. So have we just essentially found out how DVDFab has been making their Single Layer DV files?
I really think so. If you have desire and patience, you can check for yourself.
I'm hoping TSMuxer devs update their program so that the BL+EL+RPU hevc can be preserved. Obviously Dual Layer will produce more accurate results (for now) but for those out there who can only play Single Layer this is the best we got right now.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:20 pm
by hepe9
Grencola wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 pm
I'm keeping my eye on this device:
https://theminixforum.com/index.php?thr ... 2020.2404/ hoping it will be the first to do dual-layer as it's been requested to the devs for months during production, and they've already said the full dolby license has been paid. it's not an official Netflix or Amazon etc certified device, so if it can't do dv with DRM services, I don't see why else they need a dolby vision license. anyway it's out in 3 weeks so we'll see.
Why that device is special?
They are many android devices with DV, they confirmed that device can read DV DL?
The price is similar to x700
Edit: I read the forums and the answers to your question is just is the first device with the exact cpu comes with DV, and yes they pay to Dolby, like all the devices come with it, but no respond to your question if he play DV DL, be careful and read until buy, or buy if you can return
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:25 pm
by mrhollywood
Grencola wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 pm
I'm keeping my eye on this device:
https://theminixforum.com/index.php?thr ... 2020.2404/ hoping it will be the first to do dual-layer as it's been requested to the devs for months during production, and they've already said the full dolby license has been paid. it's not an official Netflix or Amazon etc certified device, so if it can't do dv with DRM services, I don't see why else they need a dolby vision license. anyway it's out in 3 weeks so we'll see.
That looks almost perfect for what I need. Hopefully someone on here picks it up and tests it out. If not I may just bite the bullet and get one myself.
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:32 pm
by mattmarsden
I’m surprised Dolby have granted them a license!
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:48 pm
by RESET_9999
ATD555 wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:16 pm
I'm hoping TSMuxer devs update their program so that the BL+EL+RPU hevc can be preserved.
They are working on it.
https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=534
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:59 pm
by Angryunibrow
mrhollywood wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:25 pm
Grencola wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:26 pm
I'm keeping my eye on this device:
https://theminixforum.com/index.php?thr ... 2020.2404/ hoping it will be the first to do dual-layer as it's been requested to the devs for months during production, and they've already said the full dolby license has been paid. it's not an official Netflix or Amazon etc certified device, so if it can't do dv with DRM services, I don't see why else they need a dolby vision license. anyway it's out in 3 weeks so we'll see.
That looks almost perfect for what I need. Hopefully someone on here picks it up and tests it out. If not I may just bite the bullet and get one myself.
The Holy Grail if it supports Profile 7 and we can play back DL DV.
What I would like even more is full BDMV support so we don't have to worry about muxing anything and we would get the Atmos audio also.
Pipe Dreams......
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:06 pm
by hepe9
@LucasSimba you tried the clips posted for @yusesope?
To see if you have the same results
I tried with the Sony player and the "dvdfab" works but wrongs colors and the other 2 no DV and play in fast speed
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:11 pm
by baker99
yusesope wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm
Here are several clips of 23 seconds each relating to the Joker movie (with the iconic scene that has been discussed
HERE on the Plex forum).
You can also find the original HEVC raw streams
*** and those obtained with my program (the BL_EL_RPU version
HERE, and the second BL_RPU iteration
HERE).
I also muxed the Bluray disc with DVDFab and after an analysis with a hexadecimal editor, the file obtained is identical to what can be obtained with my program - second iteration)
If you want to share files on other forums too, there is no problem for me.
***
Code: Select all
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:0 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_BL.hevc
ffmpeg -i bluray:D:\Joker_BD -map 0:1 -ss 19 -to 42 -c copy D:\Joker_EL.hevc
It may just be my old eyes or a placebo effect but the colours do look different on some of these, the double track double layer looks less saturated, hopefully someone can do some side by side screenshots.
Edit using C6 and plex on shield
Edit 2 - The double track double layer seems to play on the X700 and looks similar to the shield, I tried 2 of the other tracks but they were jumpy and locked up the X700, they did all look the same as the double layer double track to me though
Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:43 pm
by Grencola
hepe9 wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:20 pm
Why that device is special?
They are many android devices with DV, they confirmed that device can read DV DL?
The price is similar to x700
not sure why your reply sounds so arrogant, maybe it's just me being tired
can you name me some of these many android devices that can do dolby vision and, like I said, are NOT netflix or google etc certified (single layer) devices? it's special because it's the first one with a dolby license that doesn't seem to require being single layer. but who knows, it's just why I'm keeping an eye on it..