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Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:28 am
by MartyMcNuts
lee_bleh wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:34 am
Hi all,
hopefully someone could offer some advice on this drive
Drive Information
OS device name: \Device\CdRom0
Current profile: BD-ROM
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-X13U
Revision: 1.00
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2021-12-19
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 76
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9401
Firmware version: ID43
From what I understand being on an early pre-22 (barely) firmware this should be suitable to use?
I did see in another thread (
viewtopic.php?t=27378&start=345) Mike requested users to email dumps of their drives (which I did to the support mkv email address).
Any information would be appreciated.
There doesn't seem to be any X13U firmwar ein the current list but Mike should be able to add yours as it is pre Dec 2022. Yeah, email the firmware dump to him as the MakeMKV application suggests and give him a week or so and hopefully it gets added.
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 4:48 pm
by Coopervid
lee_bleh wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:34 am
Hi all,
hopefully someone could offer some advice on this drive
Drive Information
OS device name: \Device\CdRom0
Current profile: BD-ROM
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-X13U
Revision: 1.00
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2021-12-19
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 76
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9401
Firmware version: ID43
From what I understand being on an early pre-22 (barely) firmware this should be suitable to use?
I did see in another thread (
viewtopic.php?t=27378&start=345) Mike requested users to email dumps of their drives (which I did to the support mkv email address).
Any information would be appreciated.
Check your PM.
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:02 pm
by whatexactlydoyoudo
Coopervid wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:08 am
EARTHQUAKEMAN wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:42 am
Drive Information
OS device name: D:
Current profile: DVD-ROM
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-UD03
Revision: 1.21
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2018-04-26
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 61
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS8511
Firmware version: ID19
coopervid can you send me the flash file aswell please? thank in advance.
PM sent.
I have this same drive, could I get the firmware, too, please?
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Drive Information
OS device name: /dev/sr0
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-UD03
Revision: 1.21
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2018-04-26
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 75
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS8511
Firmware version: ID19
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:46 pm
by lingle98
Hey all,
Reading through this thread, I'm not too sure where I stand on my new drive.
Will this drive work to back up my Ultra HD Blu Rays?
If not, should I return it to Amazon while I still can or will it be crackable in the future if I keep it?
Drive Information
OS device name: \Device\CdRom1
Current profile: BD-ROM
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-XD08U
Revision: 1.02
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2022-12-27
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 62
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9331
Firmware version: ID05
Disc Information
Label: JUSTICE_LEAGUE
Timestamp: 2018-01-25 23:32:49
Protection: AACS2.0/C v61
Data capacity: 60.98 Gb
Disc type: BD-ROM UHD
Number of layers: 2
Bus encryption flags: 80
Thank you in advance!
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 11:27 pm
by MartyMcNuts
lingle98 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:46 pm
Hey all,
Reading through this thread, I'm not too sure where I stand on my new drive.
Will this drive work to back up my Ultra HD Blu Rays?
If not, should I return it to Amazon while I still can or will it be crackable in the future if I keep it?
Drive Information
OS device name: \Device\CdRom1
Current profile: BD-ROM
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-XD08U
Revision: 1.02
Serial number: ...
Firmware date: 2022-12-27
Bus encryption flags: 1B
Highest AACS version: 62
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9331
Firmware version: ID05
Disc Information
Label: JUSTICE_LEAGUE
Timestamp: 2018-01-25 23:32:49
Protection: AACS2.0/C v61
Data capacity: 60.98 Gb
Disc type: BD-ROM UHD
Number of layers: 2
Bus encryption flags: 80
Thank you in advance!
No, return it. It has firmware post 11/2022 and is therefore not compatible.
This has been worked on for 2 years now and is looking more and more unlikely.
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:59 am
by stratofall
Went on a buying spree and bought several drives. Figured I would start with the first one and go from there.
Drive Information
OS device name: D:
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-S13U
Revision: 1.05
Serial number: DEDL301311UC
Firmware date: 2023-08-01
Bus encryption flags: 1B
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9201
Firmware version: ID43
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:04 am
by Billycar11
stratofall wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:59 am
Went on a buying spree and bought several drives. Figured I would start with the first one and go from there.
Drive Information
OS device name: D:
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-S13U
Revision: 1.05
Serial number: DEDL301311UC
Firmware date: 2023-08-01
Bus encryption flags: 1B
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9201
Firmware version: ID43
cant be flashed too new
return it and get one from a seller here me marty and asmcom have pioneers with old fw that works
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:41 am
by MartyMcNuts
stratofall wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 12:59 am
Went on a buying spree and bought several drives. Figured I would start with the first one and go from there.
Drive Information
OS device name: D:
Manufacturer: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-S13U
Revision: 1.05
Serial number: DEDL301311UC
Firmware date: 2023-08-01
Bus encryption flags: 1B
LibreDrive Information
Status: Possible, not yet enabled
Drive platform: Pioneer RS9201
Firmware version: ID43
You should return any that have firmware dated 12/2022 onwards as they are not compatible. Essentially all Pioneer drives from retail stores will have firmware that is too new. The only way to get a compatible Pioneer is from a seller on this forum.
Re: Pioneer BDR-XD08UMB-S w/1.04 FW
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 am
by john_galt
Billycar11 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:41 am
yeah sorry man that wont work i would return it if you can i sill have pioneers with old fw if you want one
Cannot return. Found the Verbatum (Pioneer ODM) one and grabbed it. Works.
On the Pioneer, no as in "never", or no as in "going to be a while"?
Re: Pioneer BDR-XD08UMB-S w/1.04 FW
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 5:04 am
by MartyMcNuts
john_galt wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 2:37 am
Billycar11 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:41 am
yeah sorry man that wont work i would return it if you can i sill have pioneers with old fw if you want one
Cannot return. Found the Verbatum (Pioneer ODM) one and grabbed it. Works.
On the Pioneer, no as in "never", or no as in "going to be a while"?
Well it has been 2+ years so far so it isn't looking good.
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 1:26 pm
by boogiewoogie16787
What is the technical reason the firmware can't be changed? Are they blowing eFuses or something? Can the Pre 2022 drives be downgraded? If so does that mean they made a hardware change post 2022 in addition to the more secure Firmware?
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:50 pm
by Woodstock
The feature of "install new software" has been removed/disabled by Pioneer. If you replaced the chips, you could do it, but how many people want to desolder/solder chips?
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 6:27 am
by boogiewoogie16787
WAIT! Your telling me that you can flash the chip outside the drive with a flasher and then solder it back?
"but how many people want to desolder/solder chips?"
I just did fine pitch soldering of a N64 NDMI Kit and am planning on installing a Flash Upgrade for the Nintendo Zelda Game and Watch which is removal of 8-WSON package. I can do it!
Has anyone attempted to find a working flasher that can write to the chip outside the drive?
Whats the chip look like? If someone has done this and documented with pics, I go run to the store and buy Pioneer drive right now!
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:48 am
by Billycar11
boogiewoogie16787 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 6:27 am
WAIT! Your telling me that you can flash the chip outside the drive with a flasher and then solder it back?
"but how many people want to desolder/solder chips?"
I just did fine pitch soldering of a N64 NDMI Kit and am planning on installing a Flash Upgrade for the Nintendo Zelda Game and Watch which is removal of 8-WSON package. I can do it!
Has anyone attempted to find a working flasher that can write to the chip outside the drive?
Whats the chip look like? If someone has done this and documented with pics, I go run to the store and buy Pioneer drive right now!
its not that simple either its a smd 128 pin renesas R8j32740fp42 chip not sure if any off board programmers support it
and even then since all pioneer fw is encrypted how would be get it not to be or does the chip take it like that not sure
Re: LibreDrive for Pioneer drives
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:44 pm
by boogiewoogie16787
Billycar11 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:48 am
its not that simple either its a smd 128 pin renesas R8j32740fp42 chip not sure if any off board programmers support it
and even then since all pioneer fw is encrypted how would be get it not to be or does the chip take it like that not sure
Woodstock made it sound like in his last post that someone has already confirmed that desoldering and replacing chip works which is why I was open to doing it, my point was that its not a skills gap for me.
Is it confirmed that the renesas R8j32740fp42 has firmware?
I have not heard of many vendors putting firmware inside the main MCU as it normally increases the cost of production significantly.
Xbox 360 designers did this after they were compromised and the cost became worth it:
https://youtu.be/U7VwtOrwceo?t=342
Would Pioneer do this? They are not custom vendor with too much chip design capability right? They buy mostly off the shelf parts like everyone else. The renesas chip, the motor control IC, everything else is off the shelf. Maybe the renesas chip had built in feature for flash (if confirmed that it has the flash)
Found this (looks like someone here probably took these pics):
https://imgur.com/a/jMDrp0V
If you scroll all the way to the bottom pics you will see IC402 which is that AR15F6 chip. Looks like flash chip?
Anyway has someone already tried swapping chips with an old drive to see if it works?
How about reversing the flash program to see why it refuses to accept old firmware?