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daddy wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm I think the Sony dv support is the worst.

http://4k.com/news/sony-explains-about-dolby-vision-problem-in-its-4k-hdr-tvs-partly-blames-others-23168/ wrote:Sony implemented a modification to Dolby Vision support by which most of the processing for playback of content with this kind of high dynamic range formatting is offloaded to the device from which it came from instead of being done inside the TV itself. Thus the need for complementary updates from streaming device makers. Why Sony chose this approach is still unknown but it could be because they wanted to make their Dolby Vision update as lean and easy to implement as possible.

Philips 804 is an android tv with a built-in Video player that can handle dual layer dv.
This is surprising that nobody tried to backup this android application, to try it on another android device

Man I really wish I opted for the OLED model instead of 50PUS7504 which I just purchased.. I ordered Chinoppo to play my DV content since my TV couldn't handle any other files than DVDFab single-layers and it looks like they're not the real deal. I had no idea Philips OLED TV's can handle dual-layer DV files.. Thought that was just LG thing!

deadchip12 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:33 am From my experience and some other's here, Gemini Man DV single layer does not have choppy playback because it is essentially hdr10 version which runs at correct 60 fps. It is Gemini Man DV dual layer that has choppy playback because it is true DV and somehow the remuxing process messes with the framerate or whatever.

deadchip12 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:05 pm

scradion wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:51 pm I believe that I just confirmed that it has to be the LG Alpha 9 SoC not being able to playback HFR 60fps HDR10/Dolby Vision correctly. The Shield 2015/2017/2019 will playback the HDR10 60fps movie just fine over gigabit Ethernet. I can not completely rule out that it still could be that the 2 year old Dolby mp4muxer isn't handling 60fps DL DV correctly though but even using the DVDfab DV DL it still won't play on LG tvs without the stutter.

Gemini Man HDR10 plays fine at the correct 60 fps on LG C9 oled via external hdd. Only the Dolby Vision version runs at choppy framerate. I think mp4muxer is the culprit.

gemini man 60fps dual layer + 5.1 AC3 play just fine with the Sony x700. I watched the whole movie without any issue... so no problems with the mp4muxer
When i add lossless audio then it starts stuttering.

RESET_9999 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:34 pm gemini man 60fps dual layer + 5.1 AC3 play just fine with the Sony x700. I watched the whole movie without any issue... so no problems with the mp4muxer
When i add lossless audio then it starts stuttering.

hey, where are we at again with the x700? iirc, bdmv / m2ts / iso / mkv all just play in hdr10 and only dual layer dv mp4's play in dolby vision, from both plex dlna server and usb hdd.. sound about right? do 24fps mp4s with hd-audio play ok?

Grencola wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:35 am iirc, bdmv / m2ts / iso / mkv all just play in hdr10 and only dual layer dv mp4's play in dolby vision, from both plex dlna server and usb hdd.. sound about right?

yep, that's right. Single layer mp4 too is supported.
And i'm not sure if the dlna server is fast enough with the 100mbps ethernet, I use an external SSD.

Grencola wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:35 am do 24fps mp4s with hd-audio play

DV mp4 only works with lpcm 7.1 (or regular AC3/e-AC3 of course)

RESET_9999 wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:20 pm DV mp4 only works with lpcm 7.1 (or regular AC3/e-AC3 of course)

oh wow, that's quite the deal breaker. my TV is essentially no different then. strange why it won't read the hd-audio mp4box forces in. I could see maybe thd atmos having an issue but dts-hd ma should be fine :/

It's been a while since I've played with mp4muxer, mp4box and ffmpeg.
I used to remux both layers with ac3 audio into a mp4 container which works fine in both the Plex and Xplay app on my LG C8.

However it seems some people remux the hd audio track into lpcm 7.1 audio.
I assume you only lose the Atmos positional metadata.
But it's still better than ac3 since it's lossless.

But does the lpcm 7.1 audio play in the LG plex or Xplay app?

I know I can probably not hear the difference using the built-in speakers and regular arc only allows up to eac3 (dd+)

But if it's able to play then it's better for preservation I guess. Since playing it on devices connected to my amp directly will benefit

Grencola wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:35 am

RESET_9999 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:34 pm gemini man 60fps dual layer + 5.1 AC3 play just fine with the Sony x700. I watched the whole movie without any issue... so no problems with the mp4muxer
When i add lossless audio then it starts stuttering.

hey, where are we at again with the x700? iirc, bdmv / m2ts / iso / mkv all just play in hdr10 and only dual layer dv mp4's play in dolby vision, from both plex dlna server and usb hdd.. sound about right? do 24fps mp4s with hd-audio play ok?

Are you saying that x700 plays dual layer dolby vision mp4s? From network share or usb?
Where can i find more info?

Thx

box4m wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:21 pm Are you saying that x700 plays dual layer dolby vision mp4s? From network share or usb?

Yes, from dlna media servers or the usb port. It also has dual hdmi out for if your AVR doesn't do 4k dv passthrough.

box4m wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:21 pm Where can i find more info?

I don't know, here? what do you want to know?

box4m wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:21 pm
Are you saying that x700 plays dual layer dolby vision mp4s? From network share or usb?
Where can i find more info?

Thx

Yes the x700 plays Dual & Single layer DV MP4 with LPCM 7.1 via USB. Some titles just wont play ( about 2 or 3) but I watched more than 100 DV dual layer with lossless audio without any problems.
I read somewhere(in this thread i think) that it also works from a network but the slow 100mbps ethernet port caused playback issues.

here's what is supported with the x700:

MP4 DV (SL & DL) + lpcm 7.1 = play perfectly fine. (subtitles dont work)
M2TS / TS + atmos = HDR10 only but atmos is supported.
MKV + atmos - HDR10 but atmos not supported (because the core is separated)
MKV + DTS-X / DTSHD = HDR10 and all the DTS family is supported.
Burned ISO = Dolby vision + atmos supported. (latest Tsmuxer can now create compliant DV bluray structure)https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176668&page=16
no cinavia... But i only use it for DV mp4 remux, I wish there was a device that can do it all......
I use my HTPC for HDR10 and the new Shield for everything that is streaming....Netflix in DV + Atmos.. amazon, movies anywhere, vudu. etc...
Sorry for my english...

As of right now for the very few Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos titles I do want to watch I am OK just buying the UHD Bluray. Those are movies I would generally rewatch. Otherwise lossless sound beats DV for me. So I just need to make sure I use M2TS in the case of Atmos TrueHD, otherwise MKV is fine for DTS HD-MA. The X700 is a wonderful machine and if you don't care for Atmos + DV from pirated movies, it will play anything else fine, including the actual UHD blurays. Also there are MEL DV with DD+ Atmos content out there from streaming companies.

bgalakazam wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:06 pm The X700 is a wonderful machine and if you don't care for Atmos + DV from pirated movies, it will play anything else fine, including the actual UHD blurays.

who said anything about pirated movies?? A huge amount of people care about disc preservation where you watch it once or twice (or sometimes never even open it if it's a rare steelbook), and then just make a digital backup so you can view it to your hearts content without touching the physical copy. If you paid for the disc, you should be entitled to watch the backup in its full glory and not have choose between better picture or sound quality.

Mmmm surely the Sony suffers from cinavia?

DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:40 pm Mmmm surely the Sony suffers from cinavia?

surprisingly not via USB, but my player is about 1 year old and of course I never updated the firmware (and never will). So maybe it is active now, I don't know.

Grencola wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:55 pm who said anything about pirated movies?? A huge amount of people care about disc preservation where you watch it once or twice (or sometimes never even open it if it's a rare steelbook), and then just make a digital backup so you can view it to your hearts content without touching the physical copy. If you paid for the disc, you should be entitled to watch the backup in its full glory and not have choose between better picture or sound quality.

Let's be real here. The only reason there is so much interest in this is to pirate videos. I have YET to have a failed VHS, DVD, Bluray or UHD Bluray since I started using physical media in 1994. Don't even try to give me the argument of media preservation . And realistically, how many times are you going to watch a movie? By the time the media wears out (which it won't), 8K remasters will be here on newer media.

I strongly appreciate the work you and others are doing in regards to DV on local playback. But to say the driving factor is media preservation is simply not true. Also if you want media preservation... just rip and reburn the bluray. Or better yet if you want convenience of no disk, do what 99% of the population does and stream via Netflix, etc.

bgalakazam wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:00 am

Grencola wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:55 pm who said anything about pirated movies?? A huge amount of people care about disc preservation where you watch it once or twice (or sometimes never even open it if it's a rare steelbook), and then just make a digital backup so you can view it to your hearts content without touching the physical copy. If you paid for the disc, you should be entitled to watch the backup in its full glory and not have choose between better picture or sound quality.

Let's be real here. The only reason there is so much interest in this is to pirate videos. I have YET to have a failed VHS, DVD, Bluray or UHD Bluray since I started using physical media in 1994. Don't even try to give me the argument of media preservation . And realistically, how many times are you going to watch a movie? By the time the media wears out (which it won't), 8K remasters will be here on newer media.

I strongly appreciate the work you and others are doing in regards to DV on local playback. But to say the driving factor is media preservation is simply not true. Also if you want media preservation... just rip and reburn the bluray. Or better yet if you want convenience of no disk, do what 99% of the population does and stream via Netflix, etc.

Yeah because Netflix does HD Audio with bitrates up to 100m/b second.

Seriously I enjoy having all my stuff available at the press of a few buttons, wherever I am in the world, I have tooo many blu-rays, dvds, cds to have them sat next a physical player, they are all in the loft at my main address.
And yes, I have full 4K Rips for my main address, but I also do 1080p hdr encodes of all my movies as well so if I’m not home and I suddenly want to watch a certain movie I can...
Jaws on Netflix? No, Star Wars on Netflix, no, James Bond on Netflix????