Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[kazuma]

reset_9999 i saw your pacific rim video today. is that really the best HDR10 movie?

[RESET_9999]

reset_9999 i saw your pacific rim video today. is that really the best HDR10 movie?

I don't know if it's the best but it certainly has crazy bright highlights shot after shot. the Average/Average peak is over 1000nits and real maxcll is over 7000nits.
It actually looks way too bright / clipped on my low brightness C2(800nits) but in DV it looks perfect.

the comparisons in DV: https://mega.nz/file/ZWFjEa5L#H43rblIjC ... t8fpyxugZA
and in HDR10: https://mega.nz/file/5P0mCZYD#JQZFs9Oze ... EhA6tsFU7g

[kazuma]

reset_9999 i saw your pacific rim video today. is that really the best HDR10 movie?

I don't know if it's the best but it certainly has crazy bright highlights shot after shot. the Average/Average peak is over 1000nits and real maxcll is over 7000nits.
It actually looks way too bright / clipped on my low brightness C2(800nits) but in DV it looks perfect.

the comparisons in DV: https://mega.nz/file/ZWFjEa5L#H43rblIjC ... t8fpyxugZA
and in HDR10: https://mega.nz/file/5P0mCZYD#JQZFs9Oze ... EhA6tsFU7g

Nice to hear. I thought pacific rim was only hdr10 originally on uhd disc? No dv metadata?

[RESET_9999]

DV from web or generated. Theres no point watching HDR10 anymore...

[kazuma]

DV from web or generated. Theres no point watching HDR10 anymore...

Do yo recommend hybrid releases? I thought it was best to take the original rip?

[RESET_9999]

as i just said, no point watching static HDR10 when you can either generate or use metadata from web

[kazuma]

as i just said, no point watching static HDR10 when you can either generate or use metadata from web

How do you implent DV to pacific rim remux? Is it a easy proces?

[RESET_9999]

in resolve: https://youtu.be/FVSh3oGqfXY
in dovi_scripts: https://youtu.be/jBqbG5XM54g
from WEB: https://youtu.be/hVWZpat34oc

if you have access to my RPU google drive collection, I already did all the work for all the movies.

[staknhalo]

as i just said, no point watching static HDR10 when you can either generate or use metadata from web

Just thinking here - what about in the future when HDR10/Dolby Vision is last-gen technology? You think maybe they'll keep Dolby Vision for backwards compatibility on new-gen TV sets? HDR10 only? HDR10+? Maybe we should start acquiring Itunes HDR10+ metadata too?

[RESET_9999]

No idea what will be the next video format but I don't see it happening anytime soon. UHD will probably be the last physical media and with all the energy consumption restrictions/climate crisis, it will take a while before TVs can do 10 000nits at 100% (which would make dynamic metadata useless). Even the brightest OLED can barely do 200nits at 100% but I think I've seen a youtube video (hdtvtest) about a Chinese TV that can do 10 000nits.

So unless there's a breakthrough in TV energy consumption and all the TV can suddenly do 10 000nits , HDR/DV will be the best format for a very long time.

[skull88]

as i just said, no point watching static HDR10 when you can either generate or use metadata from web

Just thinking here - what about in the future when HDR10/Dolby Vision is last-gen technology? You think maybe they'll keep Dolby Vision for backwards compatibility on new-gen TV sets? HDR10 only? HDR10+? Maybe we should start acquiring Itunes HDR10+ metadata too?

I personally think HDR10+ will go the way of the dodo and no chance it will replace Dolby Vision ever, similar to HDDVD back in the day. Samsung is just stubborn because they invested so much in it and don't want to pay license fees to Dolby I'm guessing. However, as soon as it makes more sense financially to drop it or some deal expires with Amazon or Apple and they drop HDR10+ too, even Sammy will likely switch to support DoVi on their displays.

[RESET_9999]

yep, and the colorist has much more controls in DV than in HDR10plus. Not to mention that even without manual trims, DV has 10x better brightness and gamut tone mapping/compression than HDR10plus

https://youtu.be/dZbKjSWk3tc

[staknhalo]

Samsung is just stubborn because they invested so much in it and don't want to pay license fees to Dolby I'm guessing

Right but that's what got me thinking - who's gonna pay to license Dolby Vision in the future when it's old tech, for backwards compatibility? Can't see people (comapnies) willing to do that either. Only thing that makes me think we'll (maybe) only have HDR10 and/or HDR10+ for back compat in the future TVs.

[skull88]

Samsung is just stubborn because they invested so much in it and don't want to pay license fees to Dolby I'm guessing

Right but that's what got me thinking - who's gonna pay to license Dolby Vision in the future when it's old tech, for backwards compatibility? Can't see people (comapnies) willing to do that either. Only thing that makes me think we'll (maybe) only have HDR10 and/or HDR10+ for back compat in the future TVs.

That is likely far too pessimistic. Dolby has been around for nearly 60 years now and recently movie theatres began supporting Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision in select venues. Companies still make and sell DVDs, players and many audio components that support their audio/vidoe codecs (DVDs launched in mid 1990's and Dolby audio has been around forever too), and incredibly, some TV manufacturers actually brought back RCA inputs on the back of their displays in recent years and that's a 40+ year old standard! I wouldn't worry too much about that, plenty of other stuff to worry about in the world ahead of HDR colour standards/tech disappearing! Cheers.

[staknhalo]

Samsung is just stubborn because they invested so much in it and don't want to pay license fees to Dolby I'm guessing

Right but that's what got me thinking - who's gonna pay to license Dolby Vision in the future when it's old tech, for backwards compatibility? Can't see people (comapnies) willing to do that either. Only thing that makes me think we'll (maybe) only have HDR10 and/or HDR10+ for back compat in the future TVs.

That is likely far too pessimistic. Dolby has been around for nearly 60 years now and recently movie theatres began supporting Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision in select venues. Companies still make and sell DVDs, players and many audio components that support their audio/vidoe codecs (DVDs launched in mid 1990's and Dolby audio has been around forever too), and incredibly, some TV manufacturers actually brought back RCA inputs on the back of their displays in recent years and that's a 40+ year old standard! I wouldn't worry too much about that, plenty of other stuff to worry about in the world ahead of HDR colour standards/tech disappearing! Cheers.

I never said or meant Dolby was going out of business, I meant TV manufacturers (who create TV sets in a race to the bottom on manufacturing costs and selling price) will cut corners, wherever they can, like not having to shell out money for old technology (like when Dolby Vision is old news in some not soon future) or having to adhere to any of Dolby's tests/certs (on the manufacturer's dime) when licensing Dolby Vision, because that eats into their bottom line - even if just a cost of pennies per set.

But, we still have to see what replaces Dolby Vision in next gen tech/TV sets - besides being something else entirely not from Dolby, it could also be a 'Dolby Vision 2' where 'Dolby Vision 1' is merely a subset of 2 - like how DLSS is with Nvidia currently.

Like I said it's still a real concern IMO and something to keep in mind - just have to keep an eye out on what will be coming down the pipe. Luckily as Reset mentioned it's still a way off with no replacement really taking shape as of now - but to my point look at the mess and headache ATSC 3.0 ecosystem is shaping up to be. I'd rather get ahead of any of that with my rips is all

Edit: But really the main main point of this thought exercise (lol) is "should I be getting legit HDR10+ metadata for all titles like I am Dolby Vision, in case HDR10+ is the dynamic metadata format we're left with in the future (because it's free IIRC for manufacturers) ", doesn't hurt to be prepared is all I'm thinking.