Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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kazuma
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by kazuma » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:52 pm

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:51 pm
kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:43 pm i'm turned to the M9702. because there gonna not be a better solution that plays DV correct with HD-Audio. i doubt how far DV plays correct with all the muxes in this topic. i mean the colors etc. beside that M9702 (oppo203) is really a beast that does everything like DV, HDR10+, Atmos, DTS:X. I think there not will be a mediaplayer like this. if there is? you pay €600+.
mmm, renewed x700 on amazon is only 157USD and can do DV + HD audio just fine. Plus no cinavia...

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-UBP-X700-Bl ... 371&sr=8-4
with iso, bdmv folders? uncompressed/muxed without tsmuxer/mp4 or ts?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:53 pm

kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:52 pm
with iso, bdmv folders? uncompressed/muxed without tsmuxer?
Dual layer TS remux.. I dont care about bluray menu so it's all good for me :)
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by kazuma » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:58 pm

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:53 pm
kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:52 pm
with iso, bdmv folders? uncompressed/muxed without tsmuxer?
Dual layer TS remux.. I dont care about bluray menu so it's all good for me :)
it's not about the menu's, but the thing about ''untouched'' = the safest way without doubts to play DV. but i keep following this thread. it's very interesting what people being capable of :D

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:25 pm

kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:58 pm

it's not about the menu's, but the thing about ''untouched'' = the safest way without doubts to play DV. but i keep following this thread. it's very interesting what people being capable of :D
Safest? Are you suggesting that mp4 or ts remux are not the real deal?
I have compared the dual-layer profile 7 remux ( mp4 or TS) with bluray disc and it is identical in every aspect. Just like an MKV remux of any bluray.

Yes, there might be some question about the single layer (rpu + EL) files but definitely not with the dual-layer profile 7 files.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by kazuma » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:49 pm

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:25 pm
kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:58 pm

it's not about the menu's, but the thing about ''untouched'' = the safest way without doubts to play DV. but i keep following this thread. it's very interesting what people being capable of :D
Safest? Are you suggesting that mp4 or ts remux are not the real deal?
I have compared the dual-layer profile 7 remux ( mp4 or TS) with bluray disc and it is identical in every aspect. Just like an MKV remux of any bluray.

Yes, there might be some question about the single layer (rpu + EL) files but definitely not with the dual-layer profile 7 files.
yeah, with the eye there is no difference. i also say that before in this thread. but i'm not sure if that is enough? what happens on the background in technical way? i think we shall only know with professional tools...

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:58 pm

kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:49 pm
yeah, with the eye there is no difference. i also say that before in this thread. but i'm not sure if that is enough? what happens on the background in technical way? i think we shall only know with professional tools...
I agree..

This may not be a professional tool but I think if there was a difference in colors and brightness, my camera would capture it.
see this comparison: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6043

I did this comparison with many movies and never spotted any difference.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by kazuma » Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:03 am

RESET_9999 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:58 pm
kazuma wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:49 pm
yeah, with the eye there is no difference. i also say that before in this thread. but i'm not sure if that is enough? what happens on the background in technical way? i think we shall only know with professional tools...
I agree..

This may not be a professional tool but I think if there was a difference in colors and brightness, my camera would capture it.
see this comparison: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/6043

I did this comparison with many movies and never spotted any difference.
I appreciate you're work for that.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by yusesope » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:11 pm

Good evening people.
I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to convert (without quality loss) a FEL movie to MEL. I have some ideas about it and this is a first try.
In THIS archive you will find two files: the original file is the FEL one (generated starting from the ISO uploaded HERE by @RESET_9999), the MEL file was obtained by modifying the first.

If you feel like it, try both files. Personally I am interested in the tests carried out on devices that have proved capable of playing MEL files with profile 7 but not FEL files (Fire Stick 4K, some Android TVs, etc ...). With these latest devices the desired result should be:
FEL file -> HDR (or unplayable)
MEL file -> DV.

Please, in your feedback obviously indicate the outcome, the device and the player used (if you can, also use my version of ExoPlayer).

Thank you

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:21 pm

thank you yusesope for the great work as always.

I'll check out the files tonight.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by quietvoid » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:58 pm

yusesope wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:11 pmI'm trying to figure out if it is possible to convert (without quality loss) a FEL movie to MEL. I have some ideas about it and this is a first try.
Thanks for your work on this.
I have an LG C8.

The LG internal player freezes a lot with both FEL and MEL files, for some reason.

On the Fire TV Stick 4K (your ExoPlayer):
FEL file -> DV, black screen.
MEL file -> DV, plays fine.

:D

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by whiplash1 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:27 pm

yusesope wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:11 pm Good evening people.
I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to convert (without quality loss) a FEL movie to MEL. I have some ideas about it and this is a first try.
In THIS archive you will find two files: the original file is the FEL one (generated starting from the ISO uploaded HERE by @RESET_9999), the MEL file was obtained by modifying the first.

If you feel like it, try both files. Personally I am interested in the tests carried out on devices that have proved capable of playing MEL files with profile 7 but not FEL files (Fire Stick 4K, some Android TVs, etc ...). With these latest devices the desired result should be:
FEL file -> HDR (or unplayable)
MEL file -> DV.

Please, in your feedback obviously indicate the outcome, the device and the player used (if you can, also use my version of ExoPlayer).

Thank you
Fantastic work yusesope! Here are my observations-

Both files say unsupported file format in the internal media player.

FEL plays with HDR through Kodi+your latest exoplayer.

MEL plays and triggers DV through Kodi+your lastest exoplayer.

I'm playing these directly on my Android TV. (A cheap Indian brand, VU Cinema TV 50" with Dolby Vision).

Looking forward to a detailed method as I'd love to convert all my FEL titles into this format so I can play them directly on the TV.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by ragico » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:04 pm

yusesope wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:11 pm Good evening people.
I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to convert (without quality loss) a FEL movie to MEL. I have some ideas about it and this is a first try.
In THIS archive you will find two files: the original file is the FEL one (generated starting from the ISO uploaded HERE by @RESET_9999), the MEL file was obtained by modifying the first.

If you feel like it, try both files. Personally I am interested in the tests carried out on devices that have proved capable of playing MEL files with profile 7 but not FEL files (Fire Stick 4K, some Android TVs, etc ...). With these latest devices the desired result should be:
FEL file -> HDR (or unplayable)
MEL file -> DV.

Please, in your feedback obviously indicate the outcome, the device and the player used (if you can, also use my version of ExoPlayer).

Thank you
Thanks Master, another prime from you.
My results:

FIRESTICK TV 4K:
Plex....FEL_ST_DL triggers DV but black screen
MEL_ST_DL triggers and plays DV
Kodi 19.1 Alpha and Exoplayer_DolbyVision_DTS-HD_FFmpeg_4.2_01_08_2020_no_debug....same as Plex

UGOOS AM6 PLUS:
Plex...both files trigger and play DV
Kodi 18.8 Leia and Exoplayer as above both files trigger and play DV

APPLE ATV 4K:
Infuse app: both files play HDR

SHIELD PRO 2019:
Plex...both files trigger and play DV
Kodi 18.8 Leia and Exoplayer as above both files trigger and play DV

All devices directly connected to Panasonic Tv's

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by yusesope » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:19 pm

quietvoid wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:58 pm On the Fire TV Stick 4K (your ExoPlayer):
FEL file -> DV, black screen.
MEL file -> DV, plays fine.
whiplash1 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:27 pm FEL plays with HDR through Kodi+your latest exoplayer.

MEL plays and triggers DV through Kodi+your lastest exoplayer.

I'm playing these directly on my Android TV. (A cheap Indian brand, VU Cinema TV 50" with Dolby Vision).
ragico wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:04 pm FIRESTICK TV 4K:
Plex....FEL_ST_DL triggers DV but black screen
MEL_ST_DL triggers and plays DV
Kodi 19.1 Alpha and Exoplayer_DolbyVision_DTS-HD_FFmpeg_4.2_01_08_2020_no_debug....same as Plex
Thank you for your time!
The results are what I was hoping for :D but It's too early to claim victory :!: !
The "final test" must be conducted on a full movie and not on a 60sec segment.
I hope cheaper devices don't run out of RAM due to a too large buffer.
We'll see.

whiplash1 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:27 pm Looking forward to a detailed method as I'd love to convert all my FEL titles into this format so I can play them directly on the TV.
There is currently no detailed method, just lines of code that only make sense to me...
In the next days/weeks I will release the 0.0.4 BETA version of my tool (I will update my original post HERE as always) so those interested can do all the tests they want and help me fix any bugs.

In the meantime maybe I'll write some technical posts to start a discussion and see if anyone has any ideas to validate/improve my logic.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by DaMacFunkin » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:58 pm

Hi, i probably know the answe to this, but is there a way to reverse the DoVi created mp4?

For example de-mux the mp4 file and make a working MKV out of it?

Thank you.

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