Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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MastaG
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What about the Shield 2019?
Does it now play remuxed FEL DV videos with hd audio?

If yes could somebody briefly describe the container format and settings?
glc650
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There's an mkvtoolnix update (49).

From the release notes:

mkvmerge: added support for copying the new track header elements BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValue and BlockAddIDExtraData from Matroska files if they exist. Part of the implementation of #2887.
mkvinfo: added support for the new track header elements BlockAdditionMapping, BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValueandBlockAddIDExtraData`. Part of the implementation of #2887.

https://gitlab.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/-/issues/2887

Does this mean mkvtoolnix now supports DV MKVs?
RESET_9999
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glc650 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:31 pm
There's an mkvtoolnix update (49).

From the release notes:

mkvmerge: added support for copying the new track header elements BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValue and BlockAddIDExtraData from Matroska files if they exist. Part of the implementation of #2887.
mkvinfo: added support for the new track header elements BlockAdditionMapping, BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValueandBlockAddIDExtraData`. Part of the implementation of #2887.

https://gitlab.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/-/issues/2887

Does this mean mkvtoolnix now supports DV MKVs?
yes but only the mkv created by makemkv.

https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=841
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DaMacFunkin
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Thanks Guys,

Was seriously thinking of buying a Diva and selling My Oppo clone, saved me a lot of money, cheers.
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DaMacFunkin wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:52 am
Thanks Guys,

Was seriously thinking of buying a Diva and selling My Oppo clone, saved me a lot of money, cheers.
what's a diva?
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kazuma wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:30 am
DaMacFunkin wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:52 am
Thanks Guys,

Was seriously thinking of buying a Diva and selling My Oppo clone, saved me a lot of money, cheers.
what's a diva?
Me when I am trying to show the Mrs Red Push and White Clipping lol.

It is the Big Bother of the Vertex 2, a few extra features and led light control.
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glc650 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:31 pm
There's an mkvtoolnix update (49).

From the release notes:

mkvmerge: added support for copying the new track header elements BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValue and BlockAddIDExtraData from Matroska files if they exist. Part of the implementation of #2887.
mkvinfo: added support for the new track header elements BlockAdditionMapping, BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValueandBlockAddIDExtraData`. Part of the implementation of #2887.

https://gitlab.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/-/issues/2887

Does this mean mkvtoolnix now supports DV MKVs?
Tested and it works. I added 1 audio track and 2 subtitle tracks to the original mkv ripped with makemkv last version
SamuriHL
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DaMacFunkin wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:15 am
kazuma wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:30 am
DaMacFunkin wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:52 am
Thanks Guys,

Was seriously thinking of buying a Diva and selling My Oppo clone, saved me a lot of money, cheers.
what's a diva?
Me when I am trying to show the Mrs Red Push and White Clipping lol.

It is the Big Bother of the Vertex 2, a few extra features and led light control.
Yea please don't do that. :) At least, not just for DV stuff. I love my integral 2 but I use it for a lot of different things. Solving SHIELD problems is not one of them I'm afraid.
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:00 pm
glc650 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:31 pm
There's an mkvtoolnix update (49).

From the release notes:

mkvmerge: added support for copying the new track header elements BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValue and BlockAddIDExtraData from Matroska files if they exist. Part of the implementation of #2887.
mkvinfo: added support for the new track header elements BlockAdditionMapping, BlockAddIDName, BlockAddIDType, BlockAddIDValueandBlockAddIDExtraData`. Part of the implementation of #2887.

https://gitlab.com/mbunkus/mkvtoolnix/-/issues/2887

Does this mean mkvtoolnix now supports DV MKVs?
yes but only the mkv created by makemkv.

https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=841
Hi.
On this subject, if I use ffmpeg to copy, will it work in the same way as MKVToolNix? Or does ffmpeg still need new updates for this to work?
I use a recent BETA / Nightly version.
I'm new to this subject, so I don't have a lot of knowledge.
Thanks.
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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791567/

bit of an update for those following. good news that it's gone up the chain all the way to dolby (although they may not be entirely happy we've been creating these frankenstein files off of uhd discs :lol: ), so hopefully a resolution is in sight
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shawnc22 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:46 pm
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791567/

bit of an update for those following. good news that it's gone up the chain all the way to dolby (although they may not be entirely happy we've been creating these frankenstein files off of uhd discs :lol: ), so hopefully a resolution is in sight
why the hell would they make that test with a uhd-bd rip? They need to test genuine profile 5 full-range content (Netflix, disney+, vudu etc) since no one knows if the Shield can play uhd-bd DV rip properly in the first place.

omg, they took pictures as we do, but not even in a dark room, pictures not even taken at the same distance... Thought they would use a color meter or something more professional.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791563/

eventhough the distance difference and the bright room, I still can see the same red push on the red flower in their pictures:
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/5129

Peter Quill wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:34 pm

On this subject, if I use ffmpeg to copy, will it work in the same way as MKVToolNix? Or does ffmpeg still need new updates for this to work?
I use a recent BETA / Nightly version.
I'm new to this subject, so I don't have a lot of knowledge.
Thanks.
I don't know.
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Peter Quill wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:34 pm
On this subject, if I use ffmpeg to copy, will it work in the same way as MKVToolNix? Or does ffmpeg still need new updates for this to work?
Latest MKVToolnix only preserves DV descriptors, so you have to have a "good" MKV file to begin with.
Both mkvmerge and ffmpeg (all versions really) preserve bitstream data.
Ffmpeg and all previous versions of mkvmerge destroy DV metadata.
Next version of MakeMKV would be able to open an MKV file with totally bogus or missing DV metadata and fully rebuild a proper DV metadata. I feel sort of proud of it, as no other tool can do that, not even mp4mux :)
This effectively makes it possible to edit and convert any file to a proper DV MKV - copy/convert mp4 or ts to MKV with ffmpeg or mkvmerge, edit as you wish, then open with MakeMKV and it would rebuild all descriptors and make a nice clean DV MKV. That's how the test samples at https://www.makemkv.com/download/dvtest/ were made. PM if you want it for testing...
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RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:58 pm
shawnc22 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:46 pm
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791567/

bit of an update for those following. good news that it's gone up the chain all the way to dolby (although they may not be entirely happy we've been creating these frankenstein files off of uhd discs :lol: ), so hopefully a resolution is in sight
why the hell would they make that test with a uhd-bd rip? They need to test genuine profile 5 full-range content (Netflix, disney+, vudu etc) since no one knows if the Shield can play uhd-bd DV rip properly in the first place.

omg, they took pictures as we do, but not even in a dark room, pictures not even taken at the same distance... Thought they would use a color meter or something more professional.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791563/

eventhough the distance difference and the bright room, I still can see the same red push on the red flower in their pictures:
https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/5129
I'm sure they've tested profile 5 videos as well, but the doctor sleep sample was just the most prominent one that showed off the issue. It's also the one that was more readily available since I chopped up a sample of it. By using it and actually trying to correct behavior off of it, it's a good sign that it's meant to be supported, no? Otherwise, they could've simply just said it's not a supported file and no further action is needed. They may ultimately come back and say that these files are beyond the capabilities of the Shield, but at least they're trying to get to the bottom of it. As for the colorimeter and such, they're still out of the office at the moment so testing equipment and environment is understandably limited.
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shawnc22 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:46 pm
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/fo ... n/2791567/

bit of an update for those following. good news that it's gone up the chain all the way to dolby (although they may not be entirely happy we've been creating these frankenstein files off of uhd discs :lol: ), so hopefully a resolution is in sight
Ohhhhhhh FFS. Well, it's been fun while it lasted. Getting Dolby involved was the WORST possible outcome as they will order them to kill any "support" for it or lose their Dolby certification. F*************.
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shawnc22 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:02 pm

I'm sure they've tested profile 5 videos as well, but the doctor sleep sample was just the most prominent one that showed off the issue. It's also the one that was more readily available since I chopped up a sample of it. By using it and actually trying to correct behavior off of it, it's a good sign that it's meant to be supported, no? Otherwise, they could've simply just said it's not a supported file and no further action is needed. They may ultimately come back and say that these files are beyond the capabilities of the Shield, but at least they're trying to get to the bottom of it. As for the colorimeter and such, they're still out of the office at the moment so testing equipment and environment is understandably limited.
I really hope the did try profile 5 content. A bit disappointed by their response.
Anyway, I really hope they figure it out so I can finally enjoy my 6-month-old Shield with only 24h of use lol.
SamuriHL wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:13 pm


Ohhhhhhh FFS. Well, it's been fun while it lasted. Getting Dolby involved was the WORST possible outcome as they will order them to kill any "support" for it or lose their Dolby certification. F*************.
haha! that would be awful.
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