Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:18 pm

MastaG wrote:
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planet_hoarder wrote:
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MastaG wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:02 am


I noticed the same, but I think the reason for the stutters in profile 4 and 6 is because the TV's internal player is not capable of handling the full enhanced layer of such high bitrate movies.
I think when using profile 8 it's discarding the enhanced layer and only processing the metadata.. like using BL+RPU (mode 2).
No LG tv is able to playback dual layer DV profile 7 with FEL over 8MB/s. Only 60fps (Gemini Man) gave a problem.
profile 8 cannot discard anything - I create using mode 1 so it is BL+EL+RPU output
Great, then I'll hack up the source to put profile 8 for everything :)
If you're playing it back on the Shield, I honestly don't think it matters what profile you put it in. It seems to me that as long as the software (Plex, MXPlayer, MrMC, etc) can recognize the DV stream, it will pass it on to the hardware decoder. I have looked at the Plex exoplayer logs when attempting to play a profile 6 video that is considered deprecated and has no confirmed support. The logs show that the software doesn't recognize the dvhe.06.0x codec (it does for dvhe.04.0x), but still acknowledges that it contains a DV stream, so it passes it onto the hardware decoder for playback.

From a pure dolby specs standpoint, a single PID BL+EL+RPU stream that has HDR10 backwards compatibility should be either 6 or 7 (our case here). It should not be profile 8 as the latest dolby profiles specsheet clearly states that it is a single layer profile.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by box4m » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:11 am

Gemini Man on the shield stutters with DV, but smooth with HDR10, am i correct when i say 59.94fps + DV is beyond HDMI2.0b standard?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:22 am

box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:11 am
am i correct when i say 59.94fps + DV is beyond HDMI2.0b standard?
no you are not.
no playback issue on bluray players. My x700 play that movie at 60fps in DV+ Atmos + subs just fine.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by box4m » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:27 am

RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:22 am
box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:11 am
am i correct when i say 59.94fps + DV is beyond HDMI2.0b standard?
no you are not.
no playback issue on bluray players. My x700 play that movie at 60fps in DV+ Atmos + subs just fine.
ok, interesting. BL+EL+RPU or stripped of EL?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:58 am

box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:27 am

ok, interesting. BL+EL+RPU or stripped of EL?
Dual layer profile 7 BL+EL+RPU

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by planet_hoarder » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:33 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:58 am
box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:27 am

ok, interesting. BL+EL+RPU or stripped of EL?
Dual layer profile 7 BL+EL+RPU
how did you create dual layer profile 7 with atmos?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by box4m » Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:49 pm

Grencola wrote:
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I use my m9702 daily, with that said, it is far from perfect. If KODI or Plex could ever play dolby vision bluray rips to my TV we;;, life will be much better. with that said, we are far from that day.
never gonna happen..
It's already happened :P the Ugoos AM6 Plus plays profile 7 dv rips in kodi 18.6 (seek to 5:15ish): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cpBJSM ... Wt_2A/view I've also heard from people who have successfully played DV profile 5 rips in kodi 19 on their shield. both devices are quickly shaping up to be m9702 killers..
have you read anything more about kodi and different DV profiles? where did u read about this? is it only profile 5? :) thx

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:07 pm

planet_hoarder wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:33 pm
how did you create dual layer profile 7 with atmos?
Latest tsMuxer but that method only works on the x700 and the oppo.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:04 pm

box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:11 am
Gemini Man on the shield stutters with DV, but smooth with HDR10, am i correct when i say 59.94fps + DV is beyond HDMI2.0b standard?
My DV rip of Gemini Man have no playback issues on the Shield, and I'm pretty sure several others have reported no issues as well previously.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by box4m » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:12 pm

what will i get if i run mp4muxer and create a profile 5 mp4 with BL+EL+RPU from yuse tool?
It plays fine but what am i seeing :P? BL+RPU cause its profile 5?

the filesize and bitrate is more with BL+EL+RPU even though its profile 5 so i guess placebo can make it look better :p

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by besson » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:53 am

Hey,

Looking for a little help here, I went back many pages, and I am not sure how to do this process in it's completion.

I tried FFMPEG and got nothing but errors

I just got a new system capable of atmos, and really want to be able to do this. I have tried the disc and the blu ray folder, but nothing works.

I know there is a lot of help here and I mostly followed
viewtopic.php?t=18602&start=1650

Thanks

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by planet_hoarder » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:32 pm

box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:12 pm
what will i get if i run mp4muxer and create a profile 5 mp4 with BL+EL+RPU from yuse tool?
It plays fine but what am i seeing :P? BL+RPU cause its profile 5?

the filesize and bitrate is more with BL+EL+RPU even though its profile 5 so i guess placebo can make it look better :p
it depends, if EL really makes picture 12bit, than it's useless everywhere, since there are no consumer 12bit panels.
Then all profiles are the same, since they show BL+RPU

there is no benefit of using yusecope's tool, if you are creating DV file with mp4muxer.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by planet_hoarder » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 pm

besson wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:53 am
Hey,

Looking for a little help here, I went back many pages, and I am not sure how to do this process in it's completion.

I tried FFMPEG and got nothing but errors

I just got a new system capable of atmos, and really want to be able to do this. I have tried the disc and the blu ray folder, but nothing works.

I know there is a lot of help here and I mostly followed
viewtopic.php?t=18602&start=1650

Thanks
can you be more specific? "atmos capable" usually mean can playback atmos object data, but for real atmos effect you need height speakers.
what did you do exactly? which tools?
where did you try to playback? how everything is connected?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:12 pm

planet_hoarder wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:32 pm
box4m wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:12 pm
what will i get if i run mp4muxer and create a profile 5 mp4 with BL+EL+RPU from yuse tool?
It plays fine but what am i seeing :P? BL+RPU cause its profile 5?

the filesize and bitrate is more with BL+EL+RPU even though its profile 5 so i guess placebo can make it look better :p
it depends, if EL really makes picture 12bit, than it's useless everywhere, since there are no consumer 12bit panels.
Then all profiles are the same, since they show BL+RPU

there is no benefit of using yusecope's tool, if you are creating DV file with mp4muxer.
It's true that a FEL makes the picture 12 bit, and there are no consumer displays capable of more than 10bit, but saying it is useless and that all profiles are essentially just BL+RPU is just not correct. Please give this a good read:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=119

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Liersi » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:54 pm

Hey guys, first time in this thread. I've been reading back for a while, also started in from the beginning, and it's a lot of shifting info due to all the players and sinks people are using. The following question is not out of laziness but genuine confusion about all the possibilities you are discussing.

My scenario is playback via new Shield TV 2019 to a non-DV sink via a HDfury Vertex2, which allows the use of LLDV through emulation of compatible device EDID. So Shield, LLDV via Vertex2 device emulation, display. Assuming I want to retain everything I can, including HD audio (even Atmos etc.), which of these profiles and demuxing/splitting/remuxing processes would produce working files?

Thank you for any advice that helps me learn this stuff better. It's daunting sometimes!

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