How can some MakeMKV rips produce 50+GB of data?

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goingbust
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How can some MakeMKV rips produce 50+GB of data?

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The spec for BD says that it can store 50GB. But I have found that some discs rip to substantially more than 50GB. For example, here is my rip directory for Gladiator:

G:\Video>dir Gladiator_Disc_I
Volume in drive G is New Volume
Volume Serial Number is xxxx-xxxx

Directory of G:\Video\Gladiator_Disc_I

11/23/2010 09:57 PM <DIR> .
11/23/2010 09:57 PM <DIR> ..
11/22/2010 09:59 PM 4,190,600,828 title00.mkv
11/22/2010 10:02 PM 2,587,807,380 title01.mkv
11/22/2010 10:04 PM 989,952,584 title02.mkv
11/22/2010 10:06 PM 1,839,628,990 title03.mkv
11/22/2010 10:49 PM 33,284,603,370 title04.mkv
11/22/2010 11:27 PM 29,939,067,907 title05.mkv
11/22/2010 11:31 PM 1,984,756,366 title06.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 2,740,768,464 title07.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 84,651,640 title08.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 85,834,738 title09.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 97,592,238 title10.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 91,376,224 title11.mkv
11/22/2010 11:35 PM 99,840,193 title12.mkv
11/22/2010 11:36 PM 96,840,976 title13.mkv
11/22/2010 11:36 PM 100,660,005 title14.mkv
11/22/2010 11:36 PM 84,667,777 title15.mkv
11/22/2010 11:36 PM 173,781,672 title16.mkv
11/22/2010 11:36 PM 87,609,187 title17.mkv
11/22/2010 11:37 PM 120,303,293 title18.mkv
11/22/2010 11:37 PM 97,764,539 title19.mkv
11/22/2010 11:37 PM 116,462,968 title20.mkv
11/22/2010 11:37 PM 135,629,168 title21.mkv
11/22/2010 11:37 PM 81,613,837 title22.mkv
11/22/2010 11:38 PM 117,195,320 title23.mkv
11/22/2010 11:38 PM 81,342,131 title24.mkv
11/22/2010 11:40 PM 1,420,550,116 title25.mkv
11/22/2010 11:45 PM 4,019,867,449 title26.mkv
11/22/2010 11:47 PM 2,067,586,012 title27.mkv
11/22/2010 11:50 PM 2,581,693,156 title28.mkv
11/22/2010 11:50 PM 831,378,436 title29.mkv
11/22/2010 11:53 PM 3,142,311,927 title30.mkv
11/22/2010 11:54 PM 403,928,878 title31.mkv
11/22/2010 11:55 PM 902,853,745 title32.mkv
11/22/2010 11:55 PM 701,074,886 title33.mkv
11/22/2010 11:58 PM 2,492,404,272 title34.mkv
11/22/2010 11:59 PM 783,729,382 title35.mkv
11/23/2010 12:00 AM 1,036,067,356 title36.mkv
11/23/2010 12:02 AM 1,803,465,059 title37.mkv
11/23/2010 12:04 AM 1,168,455,379 title38.mkv
11/23/2010 12:05 AM 560,125,128 title39.mkv
11/23/2010 12:07 AM 1,849,358,321 title40.mkv
11/23/2010 12:09 AM 1,126,362,216 title41.mkv
11/23/2010 12:10 AM 636,335,001 title42.mkv
11/23/2010 12:11 AM 467,797,147 title43.mkv
11/23/2010 12:12 AM 909,655,857 title44.mkv
45 File(s) 108,215,351,518 bytes

How is this possible? The only way this can be possible in my imagination is some physical area on the disc being linked into more than one file. Can anyone explain? Thank you if you are to help me out.
SamuriHL
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Re: How can some MakeMKV rips produce 50+GB of data?

Post by SamuriHL »

Seamless branching titles can cause that to happen. For instance if there's a theatrical and director's cut on the disc, they'll share many of the same m2ts files, but, they'll have different m2ts files where the versions differ. With MakeMKV it'll treat the 2 playlists as completely separate, so, you'll get ALL the files merged into one MKV for each version of the movie....which can easily double the space required.
goingbust
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Re: How can some MakeMKV rips produce 50+GB of data?

Post by goingbust »

SamuriHL wrote:Seamless branching titles can cause that to happen. For instance if there's a theatrical and director's cut on the disc, they'll share many of the same m2ts files, but, they'll have different m2ts files where the versions differ. With MakeMKV it'll treat the 2 playlists as completely separate, so, you'll get ALL the files merged into one MKV for each version of the movie....which can easily double the space required.
Thank you very much for the quick reply. This makes total sense. It fits with my guess "physical area on the disc being linked into more than one file" (but at a more logical level), but it answers the question "why" in addition to the "how". This has only happened to a very few of the titles that I have. Iron Man 2 is another. It made me curious, though. Thanks again!
SamuriHL
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Re: How can some MakeMKV rips produce 50+GB of data?

Post by SamuriHL »

No problem at all. Seamless branching is used on some titles and not others. You can always use eac3to to see if it's a seamless branching disc. It'll show you the largest playlists and you can see if it's made up of one m2ts or several. If it's several, that's a seamless branching title that shares m2ts files between 2 or more playlists. Each one then inserts its own m2ts files at certain points. MakeMKV will treat each of those playlists as a complete set, thus duplicating the shared m2ts files.
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