Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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kazuma
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tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:16 am 1917 worked great after ripping the BL, EL with TSMuxer, and using Profile 5 with MP4Muxer. It was, hands down, the best visual experience I've had in terms of Dolby Vision. Everyone that has DV needs to see it.
DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:10 am
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:16 am 1917 worked great after ripping the BL, EL with TSMuxer, and using Profile 5 with MP4Muxer. It was, hands down, the best visual experience I've had in terms of Dolby Vision. Everyone that has DV needs to see it.
I agree, I calibrated my LG c9 last weekend and I wasn’t too sure about the Dolby Vision profile that Calman autocal created, till I watched 1917... brilliantly graded.


what are the steps to play this on my lg C9?
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Much appreciated for the hard work @jcdr428!

@DaMacFunkin, if you have the Oppo, can’t you just play things straight from a decrypted folder backup/iso? That’ll give you DV and Atmos without having to bother with any remuxing, no?
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jcdr428 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:14 pm
shawnc22 wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:02 pm unfortunately I don't understand the subject enough to know what really goes into differentiating between a profile 5 and 8 video. This is definitely not a permanent solution, but maybe @jcdr can consider implementing a user defined dv-profile parameter in a future version of tsmuxer similar to mp4muxer?
I prefer to leave the profile selection as automatic.
I understood that profile 8 is when there is backward compatibility with non-DV players (eg HDR10, SDR...), which is the case with the Blu-ray base layer. However the Blu-ray DVs muxed to single track DV are not fully compliant with profile 8 because of the chroma sample location, which might explain why the player chokes on these. I will push a fix to tsMuxer to change to profile 5.

Edit: Pull request pending merge.
Would someone be so kind to link the complete file so I can do some testing

Thanks
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shawnc22 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:29 pm Much appreciated for the hard work @jcdr428!

@DaMacFunkin, if you have the Oppo, can’t you just play things straight from a decrypted folder backup/iso? That’ll give you DV and Atmos without having to bother with any remuxing, no?
Yes, that works fine, but not on Shield, I’m after a solution that works on both so I don’t need 2 rips of the same disk.
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DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:12 pm
shawnc22 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:29 pm Much appreciated for the hard work @jcdr428!

@DaMacFunkin, if you have the Oppo, can’t you just play things straight from a decrypted folder backup/iso? That’ll give you DV and Atmos without having to bother with any remuxing, no?
Yes, that works fine, but not on Shield, I’m after a solution that works on both so I don’t need 2 rips of the same disk.
Ah got it. Just out of curiosity for the titles that's worked with both methods, have you noticed any difference in DV picture quality when playing the folder backup vs the ts remux(on shield & oppo)?
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DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:35 am Hi, can confirm this mux of 1917 that didn’t work on the Oppo works in Dolby Vision and Atmos on 2019 shield pro, shame I will have to have 2 muxes of some FEL movies till it’s sorted, particularly because the Oppo is a better picture, the Colours are more balanced.

Is there any other way to try and mux so we get a file that works on both?

Regards.
I'm sorry but at the moment I don't have any other ideas.
The strange thing is that the video bit rate of 1917 is 0kbps.
If the cobination of my tool + tsMuxeR worked for Mission Impossible, it may also work for other FEL titles.
You should make some attempts.


I thank those who have tried the files that I modified (by patching the output of FFmpeg ) but at the moment the whole process consumes too much time (so it is useless).
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Could someone post the new tsmuxer modified for profile 5, I have no idea how to use github and download anything
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yusesope wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:16 pm
DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:35 am Hi, can confirm this mux of 1917 that didn’t work on the Oppo works in Dolby Vision and Atmos on 2019 shield pro, shame I will have to have 2 muxes of some FEL movies till it’s sorted, particularly because the Oppo is a better picture, the Colours are more balanced.

Is there any other way to try and mux so we get a file that works on both?

Regards.
I'm sorry but at the moment I don't have any other ideas.
The strange thing is that the video bit rate of 1917 is 0kbps.
If the cobination of my tool + tsMuxeR worked for Mission Impossible, it may also work for other FEL titles.
You should make some attempts.


I thank those who have tried the files that I modified (by patching the output of FFmpeg ) but at the moment the whole process consumes too much time (so it is useless).
@yusesope
I did 1917.m2ts DV using your tool and tsmuxer.
It plays perfectly in Shield 2019 and this is the mediainfo:

HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.04.06, BL+EL+RPU / SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 1, HDR10+ Profile B compatible
Bit rate : 82.6 Mb/s
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yusesope wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:16 pm
DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:35 am Hi, can confirm this mux of 1917 that didn’t work on the Oppo works in Dolby Vision and Atmos on 2019 shield pro, shame I will have to have 2 muxes of some FEL movies till it’s sorted, particularly because the Oppo is a better picture, the Colours are more balanced.

Is there any other way to try and mux so we get a file that works on both?

Regards.
I'm sorry but at the moment I don't have any other ideas.
The strange thing is that the video bit rate of 1917 is 0kbps.
If the cobination of my tool + tsMuxeR worked for Mission Impossible, it may also work for other FEL titles.
You should make some attempts.


I thank those who have tried the files that I modified (by patching the output of FFmpeg ) but at the moment the whole process consumes too much time (so it is useless).
I missed a couple pages of history, so forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference with your tool vs. just ripping the BL, EL, and audio with TSMuxer and using Dolby's MP4Muxer with a respective profile to produce an .MP4? Does it allow for lossless audio or something?

I also noted that 0kbps thing—DVDFab BDInfo has been showing that for a lot of DV discs.
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tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:56 pm
yusesope wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:16 pm
DaMacFunkin wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:35 am Hi, can confirm this mux of 1917 that didn’t work on the Oppo works in Dolby Vision and Atmos on 2019 shield pro, shame I will have to have 2 muxes of some FEL movies till it’s sorted, particularly because the Oppo is a better picture, the Colours are more balanced.

Is there any other way to try and mux so we get a file that works on both?

Regards.
I'm sorry but at the moment I don't have any other ideas.
The strange thing is that the video bit rate of 1917 is 0kbps.
If the cobination of my tool + tsMuxeR worked for Mission Impossible, it may also work for other FEL titles.
You should make some attempts.


I thank those who have tried the files that I modified (by patching the output of FFmpeg ) but at the moment the whole process consumes too much time (so it is useless).
I missed a couple pages of history, so forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference with your tool vs. just ripping the BL, EL, and audio with TSMuxer and using Dolby's MP4Muxer with a respective profile to produce an .MP4? Does it allow for lossless audio or something?

I also noted that 0kbps thing—DVDFab BDInfo has been showing that for a lot of DV discs.
Correct, no Atmos in .mp4 container.
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Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:19 pm
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:56 pm
yusesope wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:16 pm
I'm sorry but at the moment I don't have any other ideas.
The strange thing is that the video bit rate of 1917 is 0kbps.
If the cobination of my tool + tsMuxeR worked for Mission Impossible, it may also work for other FEL titles.
You should make some attempts.


I thank those who have tried the files that I modified (by patching the output of FFmpeg ) but at the moment the whole process consumes too much time (so it is useless).
I missed a couple pages of history, so forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference with your tool vs. just ripping the BL, EL, and audio with TSMuxer and using Dolby's MP4Muxer with a respective profile to produce an .MP4? Does it allow for lossless audio or something?

I also noted that 0kbps thing—DVDFab BDInfo has been showing that for a lot of DV discs.
Correct, no Atmos in .mp4 container.
Thanks for the reply—what's all this business about the enhancement layers as well? MEL/FEL? Apparently TSMuxer strips one? Just want to be sure I'm not missing anything when I'm making my (non-Atmos) MP4s. My TV can only do up to E-AC3 anyway.
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tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:22 pm
Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:19 pm
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:56 pm
I missed a couple pages of history, so forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference with your tool vs. just ripping the BL, EL, and audio with TSMuxer and using Dolby's MP4Muxer with a respective profile to produce an .MP4? Does it allow for lossless audio or something?

I also noted that 0kbps thing—DVDFab BDInfo has been showing that for a lot of DV discs.
Correct, no Atmos in .mp4 container.
Thanks for the reply—what's all this business about the enhancement layers as well? MEL/FEL? Apparently TSMuxer strips one? Just want to be sure I'm not missing anything when I'm making my (non-Atmos) MP4s. My TV can only do up to E-AC3 anyway.
The modified tsmuxer posted here a few pages back does not strip any enhancement layers, the official build will. Use the modified one and it keeps it intact.

https://mega.nz/#!9m4FDJjT!1276qfyWM_tU ... 5SqsVORvSg
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Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:29 pm
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:22 pm
Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:19 pm

Correct, no Atmos in .mp4 container.
Thanks for the reply—what's all this business about the enhancement layers as well? MEL/FEL? Apparently TSMuxer strips one? Just want to be sure I'm not missing anything when I'm making my (non-Atmos) MP4s. My TV can only do up to E-AC3 anyway.
The modified tsmuxer posted here a few pages back does not strip any enhancement layers, the official build will. Use the modified one and it keeps it intact.
I see. I used the regular TSMuxer and 1917 looked pretty great—is there any visual benefit to keeping all layers? My TV only does Profile 5 AFAIK. Just want to be sure I'm getting the best DV experience possible.
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tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:31 pm
Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:29 pm
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:22 pm

Thanks for the reply—what's all this business about the enhancement layers as well? MEL/FEL? Apparently TSMuxer strips one? Just want to be sure I'm not missing anything when I'm making my (non-Atmos) MP4s. My TV can only do up to E-AC3 anyway.
The modified tsmuxer posted here a few pages back does not strip any enhancement layers, the official build will. Use the modified one and it keeps it intact.
I see. I used the regular TSMuxer and 1917 looked pretty great—is there any visual benefit to keeping all layers? My TV only does Profile 5 AFAIK. Just want to be sure I'm getting the best DV experience possible.
On paper, yes. There are two types of enhancement layers; one is full ( FEL ) and the other one is minimal ( MEL ). The FEL is 12-bit, and MEL is 10-bit. FEL can re-create 4000 nits from the 1000-nit mapped base layer. MEL can not re-create a 4000 nit brightness from the 1000-nit mapped base layer ( the base layer needs to be mapped 4000 by the studio itself - Warner Brothers do it usually ). Not all studios bother with FEL these days, only a few. You can find a good read here> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.ph ... st16884278

There are no commercially available displays capable of displaying a true 12-bit signal. Even the best consumers TVs are today struggling to output a full 10-bit color. Some people argue that a downscaled* ( is it a right term lol ) 12-bit signal is better than the native 10-bit signal ( from 4k>1080p analogy ) - no comment about that tbh

Long story short, I would not bother at this point if you don't care about the lossless audio and ATMOS/DTS-X ( if you do, you have a few choices: Oppo, Sony X700, Nvidia Shiled TV 2019...etc ). All streaming platforms are pushing Profile 5 anyways. Enjoy it!
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mulucy wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:05 am
tr000 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:31 pm
Angryunibrow wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:29 pm

The modified tsmuxer posted here a few pages back does not strip any enhancement layers, the official build will. Use the modified one and it keeps it intact.
I see. I used the regular TSMuxer and 1917 looked pretty great—is there any visual benefit to keeping all layers? My TV only does Profile 5 AFAIK. Just want to be sure I'm getting the best DV experience possible.
On paper, yes. There are two types of enhancement layers; one is full ( FEL ) and the other one is minimal ( MEL ). The FEL is 12-bit, and MEL is 10-bit. FEL can re-create 4000 nits from the 1000-nit mapped base layer. MEL can not re-create a 4000 nit brightness from the 1000-nit mapped base layer ( the base layer needs to be mapped 4000 by the studio itself - Warner Brothers do it usually ). Not all studios bother with FEL these days, only a few. You can find a good read here> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.ph ... st16884278

There are no commercially available displays capable of displaying a true 12-bit signal. Even the best consumers TVs are today struggling to output a full 10-bit color. Some people argue that a downscaled* ( is it a right term lol ) 12-bit signal is better than the native 10-bit signal ( from 4k>1080p analogy ) - no comment about that tbh

Long story short, I would not bother at this point if you don't care about the lossless audio and ATMOS/DTS-X ( if you do, you have a few choices: Oppo, Sony X700, Nvidia Shiled TV 2019...etc ). All streaming platforms are pushing Profile 5 anyways. Enjoy it!
Interesting, thanks. I guess I could get the Shield but honestly 640kbps sounds great on my home theatre. I got the new TSMuxer so I can keep all the layers without any real changes to my workflow presumably, so shouldn't be too much of an issue. I'm trying to see if I can exploit E-AC3 support in my TV to achieve higher audio bitrates.
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