Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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shawnc22
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DaMacFunkin wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:22 pm Mmm, blu ray .com has Mission Impossible listed as Fel but it works on my Oppo after Yusepoe 3 tool and TS muxer, 1917 is listed as FEL also but doesn’t work (IDK).
Is there anyway to be sure what is FEL and what isn’t?
You can use something like BDInfo to scan for the bitrate of the EL track. MELs tracks will have a very low bitrates (10s to low 1000s at most kbps) while FELs will have bitrates in the mid to upper 1000s of kbps. I believe you should also be able to tell from the size of the EL hevc file when extracted. MEL files will be relatively small compared to the FEL files.
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DaMacFunkin wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:22 pm Mmm, blu ray .com has Mission Impossible listed as Fel but it works on my Oppo after Yusepoe 3 tool and TS muxer, 1917 is listed as FEL also but doesn’t work (IDK).
Is there anyway to be sure what is FEL and what isn’t?
General rule is that if the EL layer is about ~2Mb/s or lower, then it's MEL. FEL usually have much higher Mb/s. This page might be of help as well: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=276448

But I think some FEL will simply will not play. I have conducted extensive testing on The Fog, which has a pretty big FEL, and have not been able to do it on Shield. The errors I got were audio track related, but it makes no sense, since the same tracks work with standard HDR track. But right now I'm stuck, don't know what to look for anymore and it's really annoying me.
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actually, is there any way to mux DV video with Atmos into an mp4? I think mp4muxer does not work with Atmos tracks or I don't know how to do it properly.
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1000010 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:58 pm actually, is there any way to mux DV video with Atmos into an mp4? I think mp4muxer does not work with Atmos tracks or I don't know how to do it properly.
That's unfortunately not possible. Part of the reason for this whole endeavor is the lack of support for lossless audio in mp4s.
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1000010 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:58 pm
DaMacFunkin wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:22 pm Mmm, blu ray .com has Mission Impossible listed as Fel but it works on my Oppo after Yusepoe 3 tool and TS muxer, 1917 is listed as FEL also but doesn’t work (IDK).
Is there anyway to be sure what is FEL and what isn’t?
General rule is that if the EL layer is about ~2Mb/s or lower, then it's MEL. FEL usually have much higher Mb/s. This page might be of help as well: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=276448

But I think some FEL will simply will not play. I have conducted extensive testing on The Fog, which has a pretty big FEL, and have not been able to do it on Shield. The errors I got were audio track related, but it makes no sense, since the same tracks work with standard HDR track. But right now I'm stuck, don't know what to look for anymore and it's really annoying me.
Can confirm The Fog will not play on the shield using the latest tools.

Only thing that I know is different from the other movies I have done is this is a 24fps movie and not 23.976fps.

No idea if that is messing something up.
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Looking at that list of movies, some other titles that include similarly sized FELs (>10mb/s) are Cliffhanger, Dredd, Evil Dead 2, Leon the Professional, Skyscraper, and Universal Soldier. If anyone has any of those titles, maybe it's worth a try to see if it's an issue with the large FEL layer?
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shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:10 am Looking at that list of movies, some other titles that include similarly sized FELs (>10mb/s) are Cliffhanger, Dredd, Evil Dead 2, Leon the Professional, Skyscraper, and Universal Soldier. If anyone has any of those titles, maybe it's worth a try to see if it's an issue with the large FEL layer?

I just tried Dredd which has a larger FEL than The Fog and it worked just fine.

Only thing I see now is maybe the 24p is messing something up?
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Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 am
shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:10 am Looking at that list of movies, some other titles that include similarly sized FELs (>10mb/s) are Cliffhanger, Dredd, Evil Dead 2, Leon the Professional, Skyscraper, and Universal Soldier. If anyone has any of those titles, maybe it's worth a try to see if it's an issue with the large FEL layer?

I just tried Dredd which has a larger FEL than The Fog and it worked just fine.

Only thing I see now is maybe the 24p is messing something up?
Could be, do you have an LG TV to test if the Fog might play through the internal player? It'll probably give you a message saying audio is not supported, but if the video plays without issue, then maybe the issue is with the Shield not liking the 24fps.
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RESET_9999 wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:56 pm here it is: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q5v4-J ... sp=sharing

open source tsmuxer have the github icon and no paypal icon.

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Thanks. It shows Dolby Vision during playback now, but the film stutters and freezes every 2 seconds. I'm playing it on an external hdd connected to LG C9 OLED via usb.
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deadchip12 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:53 am Thanks. It shows Dolby Vision during playback now, but the film stutters and freezes every 2 seconds. I'm playing it on an external hdd connected to LG C9 OLED via usb.
I have the same thing on LG C7 with all .ts or .m2ts files i made in dvhe.04.06.
Dolby Vision logo, but freezes every 2 seconds.
The same movie in .mp4 and dvhe.07.06 play perfectly.
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shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:20 am
Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 am
shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:10 am Looking at that list of movies, some other titles that include similarly sized FELs (>10mb/s) are Cliffhanger, Dredd, Evil Dead 2, Leon the Professional, Skyscraper, and Universal Soldier. If anyone has any of those titles, maybe it's worth a try to see if it's an issue with the large FEL layer?

I just tried Dredd which has a larger FEL than The Fog and it worked just fine.

Only thing I see now is maybe the 24p is messing something up?
Could be, do you have an LG TV to test if the Fog might play through the internal player? It'll probably give you a message saying audio is not supported, but if the video plays without issue, then maybe the issue is with the Shield not liking the 24fps.
It's not that, I think tsmuxer does something wrong. If you mux the whole movie with mp4muxer without sound it will work on the Shield without a problem in DV. But if you mux it with tsmuxer with any soundtrack it will not work. MA track throws exceptions that I posted earlier. Single LPCM track works, but only in standard HDR without DV. Tried to mux DV video also with both MA and LPCM audio tracks and it produces the same error as with single MA track. This is really confusing and the reason why I think tsmuxer is messing things up.

Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:03 am Can confirm The Fog will not play on the shield using the latest tools.

Only thing that I know is different from the other movies I have done is this is a 24fps movie and not 23.976fps.

No idea if that is messing something up.
Could you please test what I tested and confirm? I double checked everything but the results just make no sense.
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DaMacFunkin wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:17 pm Hi, Following the guide can't get FEL to work on the oppp, the file does work in HDR10 on the 2017 shield, can't check on the 2019 shield as it is at my weekend address (won't be there again till Friday)…
Thanks for trying.
If you have time, could you please try what follows with a MEL movie?
yusesope wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:45 am Since you own an OPPO 203, could you do me this favour: while playing a movie (my tool + tsMuxer, please try both a FEL and an MEL movie), can you press the "info" button and take a screenshot (both for the Multimedia information section and for the HDMI output information section)?
It is important, however, that in the player settings, Color Space and Color depth (Video Output Setup) are set to AUTO.
Help yourself with this video (19:24):
https://youtu.be/Pqg8Ky6T7vc?t=1164

Thank you


shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:20 am ...maybe the issue is with the Shield not liking the 24fps.
daddy wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:42 am I have the same thing on LG C7 with all .ts or .m2ts files i made in dvhe.04.06.
Dolby Vision logo, but freezes every 2 seconds.
The same movie in .mp4 and dvhe.07.06 play perfectly.
1000010 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:32 am ...I think tsmuxer does something wrong...
It would be interesting to see how another software would handle the matter.
I am therefore trying to modify at bit level the .ts files produced by FFmpeg.
I did some experiments using THIS file and HERE you can find the results.
If your device plays the original file, test the files I edited.
If there is a positive response (I have my doubts but there is no harm in trying!), I will explain what and how I did it.

Thank you.
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shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:20 am
Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 am
shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:10 am Looking at that list of movies, some other titles that include similarly sized FELs (>10mb/s) are Cliffhanger, Dredd, Evil Dead 2, Leon the Professional, Skyscraper, and Universal Soldier. If anyone has any of those titles, maybe it's worth a try to see if it's an issue with the large FEL layer?

I just tried Dredd which has a larger FEL than The Fog and it worked just fine.

Only thing I see now is maybe the 24p is messing something up?
Could be, do you have an LG TV to test if the Fog might play through the internal player? It'll probably give you a message saying audio is not supported, but if the video plays without issue, then maybe the issue is with the Shield not liking the 24fps.
Sorry, no way of testing this, my TV is mounted and I have no way to access the USB ports, or have a flash drive big enough to use.
I do use a LG C8
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Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:33 pm
shawnc22 wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:20 am
Angryunibrow wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:59 am


I just tried Dredd which has a larger FEL than The Fog and it worked just fine.

Only thing I see now is maybe the 24p is messing something up?
Could be, do you have an LG TV to test if the Fog might play through the internal player? It'll probably give you a message saying audio is not supported, but if the video plays without issue, then maybe the issue is with the Shield not liking the 24fps.
Sorry, no way of testing this, my TV is mounted and I have no way to access the USB ports, or have a flash drive big enough to use.
I do use a LG C8
You can set up a DLNA share from your computer/NAS to access files on your TV. That's what I've been using to test my files on my B9.
yusesope wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:17 pm It would be interesting to see how another software would handle the matter.
I am therefore trying to modify at bit level the .ts files produced by FFmpeg.
I did some experiments using THIS file and HERE you can find the results.
If your device plays the original file, test the files I edited.
If there is a positive response (I have my doubts but there is no harm in trying!), I will explain what and how I did it.

Thank you.


Just tested the files on my 2019 Shield and B9 internal player and here're the results:

Shield: All files play without stutter and triggers DV.

B9 Internal Player:
  • Original TS plays and triggers DV
  • _MP4 plays and triggers DV.
  • _TS plays and triggers DV, but stutters
  • _MKV starts up the first time and triggers DV, but is just stuck on the first frame. Subsequent tries report a file not supported message
Sidenote: I've tested some of the full TS DV remuxes I've made (all working on the shield w/o issue) on the internal B9 player and have had some mixed results. Some movies play without stutter (The Meg, First Man) while most others have the stutter issue others have reported (Black Panther, Doctor Sleep, Midway). These are all dvhe.08.06 files from the older version of tsmuxer and v2 of yusecope's tool. Also profile 7 dual track/dual layer DV files made with mp4muxer does not seem to work at all on my B9 internal player. I know others have had success on their C# models, but I'm wondering if the B# models might lack the hardware for dual track files due to its inferior processor.
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yusesope wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:17 pm If there is a positive response (I have my doubts but there is no harm in trying!), I will explain what and how I did it.
Tried all your videos and they trigger DV on my Shield as well.

Another interesting thing about The Fog (I just can't let it go): I tried making shorter 1 minute clips with sound (MA and LPCM) with tsMuxer and all of them worked. With some stutter due to high FEL bitrate I guess but it worked. So either there are parts of the full movie that tsMuxer doesn't like or the whole thing is simply too big for Plex on Shield to process.

Would also like to note that VLC does not want to play tsMuxed files at all. It just opens, sometimes displays no length and displays a blank screen. Some files I am able to play with sound but no picture. Your files yusesope are working fine in VLC though.
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