Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11176 Post by kazuma » Thu Sep 04, 2025 9:10 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:02 pm
With my pc i9 13900ks + RTX 3070 + pci-e gen4 7gbps drives for a 1h30 movie:

prores encoding: 20-25min
scene cut detection: 10min
DV analysis: 10min
injecting remuxing: 6-8min

If I decide to do trim pass(es), then it can take me hours to monitor each shot one by one and make target adjustments
wow, i didn't know it was time-consuming like this with your high-end pc.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11177 Post by ragico » Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:30 pm

@quietvoid
Will you implement AV1 codec support in your excellent dovi tool?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11178 Post by quietvoid » Fri Sep 05, 2025 1:54 am

ragico wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:30 pm
@quietvoid
Will you implement AV1 codec support in your excellent dovi tool?
Eventually, very busy these days.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11179 Post by deadchip12 » Mon Sep 08, 2025 4:40 am

@RESET9999
Do you know the best way to move my coreelec cpm a14 build from the existing usb stick to another usb stick with all the settings intact?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11180 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Sep 08, 2025 10:30 am

deadchip12 wrote:
Mon Sep 08, 2025 4:40 am
@RESET9999
Do you know the best way to move my coreelec cpm a14 build from the existing usb stick to another usb stick with all the settings intact?
no idea, ask on the avsforum thread

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11181 Post by geofox784 » Mon Sep 15, 2025 1:51 am

May be a dumb question, but I've done a fair amount of research and still don't 100% understand.

In the Dolby Vision Stuff google sheet I see chart "ENCODER GROUPS TO AVOID BECAUSE THEY DONT ENCODE DV FEL PROPERLY"

I have a AM6B+ so I can playback DV Profile 7. I wanted to confirm that I understand encoding correctly. If the group that created an mkv left the file as a Profile 7 release instead of baking the FEL / encoding it into Profile 8, is no encoding actually occurring when the MKV is created from the original bluray disk files? Wouldn't this be a lossless packaging of the data directly into an MKV format?

For example, if a release is titled "███.2025.2160p.UHD.BluRay.REMUX.DV.P7.HDR.ENG.TrueHD.Atmos.7.1.H265-BEN.THE.MEN", does it matter that the release group is in the "avoid" list?

Mediainfo shows "HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, Profile 7.6, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, no metadata compression, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, Version HDR10, HDR10 compatible"

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11182 Post by Rororororo » Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:53 am

Hello @RESET_9999, could you provide more details about T1-T2-T3-T4 analysis and how it affects metadata, or point to a relevant source?
I tried googling it, quoting it with “resolve studio,” etc., and searching this topic, but I wasn't able to find anything except replacing L1, L2, L3, etc., which doesn't say much.

Thanks !
ASUS BW-16D1HT 3.10
Ugoos AM6B Plus

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11183 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:01 am

geofox784 wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 1:51 am
May be a dumb question, but I've done a fair amount of research and still don't 100% understand.

In the Dolby Vision Stuff google sheet I see chart "ENCODER GROUPS TO AVOID BECAUSE THEY DONT ENCODE DV FEL PROPERLY"

I have a AM6B+ so I can playback DV Profile 7. I wanted to confirm that I understand encoding correctly. If the group that created an mkv left the file as a Profile 7 release instead of baking the FEL / encoding it into Profile 8, is no encoding actually occurring when the MKV is created from the original bluray disk files? Wouldn't this be a lossless packaging of the data directly into an MKV format?

For example, if a release is titled "███.2025.2160p.UHD.BluRay.REMUX.DV.P7.HDR.ENG.TrueHD.Atmos.7.1.H265-BEN.THE.MEN", does it matter that the release group is in the "avoid" list?

Mediainfo shows "HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, Profile 7.6, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, no metadata compression, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, Version HDR10, HDR10 compatible"
if it's a remux, it should be fine...
That list is only for the encodes and that guy ben the men encodes are ridiculously bad: https://slow.pics/c/Yp0F0UWf
Rororororo wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:53 am
Hello @RESET_9999, could you provide more details about T1-T2-T3-T4 analysis and how it affects metadata, or point to a relevant source?
I tried googling it, quoting it with “resolve studio,” etc., and searching this topic, but I wasn't able to find anything except replacing L1, L2, L3, etc., which doesn't say much.

Thanks !
https://slow.pics/c/OA0pupEN?canvas-mode=fit-width
https://professionalsupport.dolby.com/s ... uage=en_US

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11184 Post by coopzr » Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:24 am

The release of the recent dim movies (F1, Jurassic World Rebirth, and Superman) got me thinking... Is there any brightness (or lack of) where it would be better to watch the SDR release instead?

As my TV is not professionally calibrated, I think it's still better to go HDR in my situation, as I know the brightness will better match the artist's intent (as opposed to my SDR brightness, which is just eyeballed).

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11185 Post by geofox784 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:25 am

> That list is only for the encodes

Have you found that most releases labeled "remux" are truly lossless remuxes, or do you have to watch out for releases labeled as a remux, but that are actually an encode that has been labeled as a remux that may have some small changed like changing from P7 to P8?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11186 Post by LV8HD » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:28 am

@RESET_9999 do you always generate new Dolby Vision metadata even for CMv2.9 retail P7 with manually done trim passing?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11187 Post by RESET_9999 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:02 am

coopzr wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:24 am
The release of the recent dim movies (F1, Jurassic World Rebirth, and Superman) got me thinking... Is there any brightness (or lack of) where it would be better to watch the SDR release instead?

As my TV is not professionally calibrated, I think it's still better to go HDR in my situation, as I know the brightness will better match the artist's intent (as opposed to my SDR brightness, which is just eyeballed).
These movies are only dim compared to SDR if you don't watch SDR at reference level (100-150nits). At reference level, the HDR in these movies still win, see my youtube comparisons.
geofox784 wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:25 am
> That list is only for the encodes

Have you found that most releases labeled "remux" are truly lossless remuxes, or do you have to watch out for releases labeled as a remux, but that are actually an encode that has been labeled as a remux that may have some small changed like changing from P7 to P8?
if the filename says remux, it's most likely a remux. P8 ones are probably hybrid with metadata taken from web source.
LV8HD wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:28 am
@RESET_9999 do you always generate new Dolby Vision metadata even for CMv2.9 retail P7 with manually done trim passing?
only the 4000nits MDL ones

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11188 Post by LV8HD » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:07 am

RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:02 am
only the 4000nits MDL ones
Why is this?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#11189 Post by RESET_9999 » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:16 am

LV8HD wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:07 am
RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:02 am
only the 4000nits MDL ones
Why is this?
only that causes an issue on my G5:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1289366200

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