Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[kazuma]

What is an kaleidescape?

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PS: just ordered the kaleidescape. We will know soon enough how it compares to the UHD-BD quality

That's cool - you got the Strato E I presume?
Do those boxes support playback of non- K sourced media? Like via USB for example? For testing what formats it actually supports?
I'm also interested what DV profile the K files use? 7? 8? Maybe even 5?

Yep, the cheapest model. No USB playback, this device is only good for accessing the Kscape store.
They offer DV P5, HDR10 and SDR with bitrate almost always higher than the bluray disc. (encoded straight from studio's master). P5(11.5bits) is no different than P7(12bit) on our 10bits TV.
you can read here: https://www.kscapeowners.com/XF/threads ... -fel.6609/

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What is an kaleidescape?

it's a very expensive streaming service/box with lossless audio and 100mbps bitrate encodes. It also have many HDR/4K release not available on disc.

https://www.kaleidescape.com/movie-store/movies
In each movie description, you can see the file size of the stream.

[daffie]

Too bad it is only available in US/Canada.

[foxbat]

it's a very expensive streaming service/box with lossless audio and 100mbps bitrate encodes. It also have many HDR/4K release not available on disc.

https://www.kaleidescape.com/movie-store/movies
In each movie description, you can see the file size of the stream.

Is there a maintained list of titles Kscape has in 4K that are not available on UHD disc?

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Is there a maintained list of titles Kscape has in 4K that are not available on UHD disc?

I don't think so but I went through the whole Canadian store and there were a few.

[skull88]

it's a very expensive streaming service/box with lossless audio and 100mbps bitrate encodes. It also have many HDR/4K release not available on disc.

https://www.kaleidescape.com/movie-store/movies
In each movie description, you can see the file size of the stream.

Is there a maintained list of titles Kscape has in 4K that are not available on UHD disc?

No official list, but here's what a couple of passes using Deep Research on ChatGPT got me, pretty sure this isn't exhaustive or 100% accurate, but close enough, some are SDR only though:

The following titles are available in true 4K on the Kaleidescape store, but have not been released on UHD Blu-ray in any region. Most have standard Blu-ray editions, but no physical UHD disc at this time.

A–C
Bob Trevino Likes It (2025, Lionsgate)
Cheech & Chong’s Last Movie (2024, Decal Releasing)

H–J
The Hangover Trilogy (2009–2013, Warner Bros.)
Heart Eyes (2024, AMC/Blumhouse)
Hell of a Summer (2025, Neon)
Hurry Up Tomorrow (2025, Studio71)
Jackpot! (2024, Amazon/MGM)
Juliet & Romeo (2025, Lionsgate UK)

L–Q
The Legend of Ochi (2025, A24)
On Swift Horses (2024, Neon)
The Quiet Ones (2024, Magnolia)

R–S
Rust (2024, Decal/NEON)
Salvable (2025, NEON/Lionsgate)
The Surfer (2024, Vertigo UK)

T
The Dead Don’t Hurt (2024, Signature UK)

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yeah thanks but that list is missing a LOT:

Pretty Woman
National treasure movies
boys in the boat
fly me to the moon
Tomorrow War
Without remorse
the santa clause movies
live free die hard
Get Hard
anyone but you
argylle
man called otto
napoleon dynamite
spy
10 things I hate about you
the day after tomorrow
pixels
garfield movie
September 5
asteroid city
entourage movie
it ends with us
how to be single
after earth
good day to die hard
speak no evil
sideways
a real pain
all the money in the world
me b before you
instant family
die hard with vengeance
die hard 2
goosebumps
longest ride
stillwater
conjuring
gunner
geostorm
dark waters
pope exorcist
dog
blockers
only the brave
money monster
good boys
underwater
the night before
father stu
the house
run all night
con air
the walk
hot pursuit
life of the party
missing
alto knights
the saint
motherless brooklin
greedy people

all of this is by memory and I stopped after page 8 of 14...

[skull88]

Nice, perhaps it's a safe assumption, that if a title is available on another streaming platform in 4K (at least iTunes/MA), but not on UHD BD yet, it will probably be available on KS too.

[coopzr]

Someone is for sure going to reverse engineer the Kaleidescape and upload the entire catalogue to piracy sites. Almost guaranteed in my opinion.

p.s. I do not endorse piracy.

[foxbat]

Someone is for sure going to reverse engineer the Kaleidescape and upload the entire catalogue to piracy sites. Almost guaranteed in my opinion.

p.s. I do not endorse piracy.

Highly unlikely something like this would ever happen. Even if someone did manage to exploit the device, the content on it will surely be watermarked with info on the device they came from. At the very least it would cause Kscape to brick the person's $3000+ device. The owner of the device would also be open to prosecution for infringement.
Edit: If such an exploit did exist I'd probably buy a Kscape as I would be able to actually have full control of my purchased movies and be able to back them up for personal use. Because as of now buying movies off there does not meet my definition of 'ownership'. Your purchases can be removed by Kscape for any reason. If Kscape goes under good luck downloading your purchases, etc etc

[daffie]

@foxbat
very true mate.

[flojo]

Someone is for sure going to reverse engineer the Kaleidescape...

Be careful, this is almost certainly a gimmick. Read the specs, or only the one spec of "every 4K movie available" in 192TB... yeah that's not happening.

I'm older so I've seen these gimmick players come and go for over 25 years and they never last. That said, they're great to find used after they've long gone out of business. About 10 years ago I found a very rare Escient Fireball with a 1000 disc carousel at a thrift store for $10usd. I have no idea how much it cost new back in ~2006 but I'm guessing about $5,000usd because everything Escient sold was crazy expensive. Escient went out of business in 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escient

[foxbat]

Be careful, this is almost certainly a gimmick. Read the specs, or only the one spec of "every 4K movie available" in 192TB... yeah that's not happening.

They do not claim this anywhere. You can see file sizes on their site without signing in. Most are less than 100GB

[skull88]

KS is an expensive niche company (although they are now releasing lower-priced models), but it's definitely not snake oil. Hell, they even stopped claiming their audio is higher bitrate and just show it is same quality as lossless found on UHD BD now. However, foxbat and flojo do raise a legitimate question: what happens if KS suddenly goes out of business or is sold to some monster like Amazon and they shut their servers down? Do you now end up with an expensive brick, and your movies turn into "unavailable" relics of the past or more likely, credits towards Amazon or iTunes (lol). Perhaps some hope they allow offline decryption and download as a final show of kindness? I guess we will see in the fullness of time, but investing heavily in any niche product like this is always a gamble long-term.