New protection? Season of the Witch BD

[blumark]

I have just tried to rip 'Season of the Witch' region 2/B Blu-Ray

it completed as per usual, however there is no picture when played back, just audio.

Is this a new kind of protection?

I have tried DVDFab and it crashes, Anydvd says it needs ctritical update!

Any ideas?

[mike admin]

Please do http://www.makemkv.com/faq/item/8/catid/6

[blumark]

I will do that when I get home but I can't remember seeing any error messages - as I said it seemed to copy as normal!

I tried using two different computers and drives, both copied fine but no video playback (just audio) using both Xbmc and VLC.

[crowfax]

VC-1 interlaced video stream perhaps?

Can you use mediaInfo on the MKV file that was created to check and post back?

[blumark]

Here you go:

General
Unique ID : 291968585472615912327238938935707256697 (0xDBA71AAA1CC772933D59CA8BE3934779)
Complete name : F:\Season Of The Witch.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 18.7 GiB
Duration : 1h 30mn
Overall bit rate : 29.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-06-05 11:57:39
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.6.10 win(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.6.10 (1.2.0/1.1.0) win(x64-release)

Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 25.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.498
Stream size : 16.4 GiB (88%)
Language : English

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 576 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : English

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 982 MiB (5%)
Title : 3/2+1
Language : English

Text
ID : 4
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 00
00:07:45.520 : en:Chapter 01
00:14:31.440 : en:Chapter 02
00:22:58.440 : en:Chapter 03
00:29:31.360 : en:Chapter 04
00:38:03.080 : en:Chapter 05
00:44:50.440 : en:Chapter 06
00:53:35.480 : en:Chapter 07
01:00:40.640 : en:Chapter 08
01:09:02.760 : en:Chapter 09
01:14:59.360 : en:Chapter 10
01:21:31.560 : en:Chapter 11

[crowfax]

Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 25.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.498
Stream size : 16.4 GiB (88%)
Language : English

Yup. Interlaced VC-1.

This is why you can hear the audio but not see the video, you need to use a media player capable of playing back interlaced VC-1.

[blumark]

Bugger!

This is the first one out of about 200 rips.

My HTPC runs Xbmc and I want to keep it that way, is there any way round this?

Is this interlacing a new thing? seems odd that neither DVDFab or Anydvd could handle this disc.

Thanks for pointing this out crowfax

[Romansh]

My HTPC runs Xbmc and I want to keep it that way, is there any way round this?

Not as far as I know. There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.

Is this interlacing a new thing?

Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

seems odd that neither DVDFab or Anydvd could handle this disc.

IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.

[blumark]

Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.

Well it actually looks like its on its way back in!

This Bluray was only released this week!

Looks like a simple way to knock out ripping.

IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.

There is something in this disc that crashes DVDfab and prevents Anydvd from copying it.
Only MakeMKV could rip it albeit in my case an unusable rip.

[Romansh]

Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.

Well it actually looks like its on its way back in!

This Bluray was only released this week!

Looks like a simple way to knock out ripping.

No. It's all about the source - if it was shot interlaced, it's better and/or easier to encode it interlaced than to de-interlace it and encode it as progressive video. It has absolutely nothing to do with copy protection.

It does seem very odd for a big production that was shot on film (which is progressive, not interlaced), though. It looks like they converted it from 23.976 to 25 fps, too (which is common on DVD but not on Blu-ray). I wouldn't buy this disc.

IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.

There is something in this disc that crashes DVDfab and prevents Anydvd from copying it.
Only MakeMKV could rip it albeit in my case an unusable rip.

Yes; I'm just saying it isn't the way the video stream was encoded. Since you pointed out it was just released, it's probably a new version of AACS and/or BD+.

For people who were wondering (like I did) whether we'd reached the end of June already, it seems the movie was released in France (and possibly a few other countries) already:

http://www.amazon.fr/Dernier-templiers- ... B004P4I4TG

[setarip_old]

Hi!

This is extremely curious, as I just purchased the U.S. version - and it is (as we've grown to expect) H.264 1080p.

BTW - I had no problem using MakeMKV to perform both a fully functional full disc backup and a fully functional conversion to MKV (No problem performing a full disc backup with DVDFab either)

[robpdotcom]

There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.

Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.

[KYThrill]

There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.

Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.

My Dune media player has also played interlaced VC-1 MKV's, even though it was several firmware versions ago. A good reminder I should probably go back and re-check since the released a new BD engine in firmware since then.

[Romansh]

There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.

Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.

Please don't take my comment out of context. The former decoder is neither cross-platform nor open source (so not suitable for use by an HTPC running XBMC, at least under Linux - or OS X); I'd have thought the latter would be the FFmpeg/libavcodec decoder (which does not support interlaced VC-1), but maybe it's something else?

[SmithGraham]

I got a BRip and a DVDRIP. Both were quite ok.