Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9031 Post by Hellboy. » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:22 am

RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:21 pm
Thanks for the info but unfortunately, the FireTV device is probably the worst one for DV rip.

1- Overall a much darker image than all the other devices. Not a subtle difference, its very noticeable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnPmBFuYtw

2- Stutter with high bitrate videos (I had to redo the firetv lldv capture about 3 times in that YouTube video)
5ghz wifi or USB to ethernet adaptor

3- Can't do true TV-LED meaning it's always the player that is processing the dynamic metadata.

4- Does some Dolby Vision IQ internally even if your TV is in cinema mode with DV IQ is set to off(greyed out)... This is related to L11 cmv4.0 which should only works when your TV is in Cinema Home mode with DV IQ on.
@RESET_9999 Your FireTV is circular in the borders?
Like in the picture.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BP9SNVH9

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9032 Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:23 am

Hellboy. wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:22 am
@RESET_9999 Your FireTV is circular in the borders?
Like in the picture.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BP9SNVH9
nop but I'd be surprised if anything changed about DV.
I might order one and return it just to find out :D.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9033 Post by dapope » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:30 pm

Hi @RESET_9999 !
I tried 3-1 with profile 7 mkv input on your new version 1.9.7.
The process seems to run fine but at the end I'm left with a .mkv with only an audio track (no video). There's also a .bin file and a .hevc file which according to mediainfo has only hdr and no DV.
Thanks!

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9034 Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:36 pm

dapope wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:30 pm
Hi @RESET_9999 !
I tried 3-1 with profile 7 mkv input on your new version 1.9.7.
The process seems to run fine but at the end I'm left with a .mkv with only an audio track (no video). There's also a .bin file and a .hevc file which according to mediainfo has only hdr and no DV.
Thanks!
Muxing is disabled for P7 input until I have more time to work on that. The script should not have muxed anything though?
Just mux the HEVC file. FYI, an hevc or h265 file never has the DV flags, its normal.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9035 Post by dapope » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:31 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:36 pm
dapope wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:30 pm
Hi @RESET_9999 !
I tried 3-1 with profile 7 mkv input on your new version 1.9.7.
The process seems to run fine but at the end I'm left with a .mkv with only an audio track (no video). There's also a .bin file and a .hevc file which according to mediainfo has only hdr and no DV.
Thanks!
Muxing is disabled for P7 input until I have more time to work on that. The script should not have muxed anything though?
Just mux the HEVC file. FYI, an hevc or h265 file never has the DV flags, its normal.
No problem, I guess I can use TSMuxer to mux the the .hevc into a usable P8 file. I'm assuming I don't have to worry about the .bin file.
I tested some more and the .mkv with only an audio track is created if you say yes to the "convert audio to DDP" question.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9036 Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:20 pm

5.1 DDP track is encoded straight to an MKV on purpose in order to preserve any delay if present.
dapope wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:31 pm
No problem, I guess I can use TSMuxer to mux the the .hevc into a usable P8 file. I'm assuming I don't have to worry about the .bin file.
I tested some more and the .mkv with only an audio track is created if you say yes to the "convert audio to DDP" question.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9037 Post by LV8HD » Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:31 am

Hi @RESET_9999, could it be possible to make the tools path as a personal setting by moving them in the SETTINGS.bat file? I think it'd be useful for many people to void having multiple executables for the same tool spread out over the system.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9038 Post by RESET_9999 » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:58 pm

LV8HD wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:31 am
Hi @RESET_9999, could it be possible to make the tools path as a personal setting by moving them in the SETTINGS.bat file? I think it'd be useful for many people to void having multiple executables for the same tool spread out over the system.
yes sure, check out next version.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9039 Post by tjayz » Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:26 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:23 am
Hellboy. wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:22 am
@RESET_9999 Your FireTV is circular in the borders?
Like in the picture.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BP9SNVH9
nop but I'd be surprised if anything changed about DV.
I might order one and return it just to find out :D.
So the current dolby_vision_stuff is not current for this device? All the things that make dv suck through fire stick apply even if using Queitvoid's kodi on p7?

Separate question, converting p7 FEL to p8 MEL I understand the FEL is lost, but reading some recent pages I learned of dovi_baker tool. Can this be used to bake in the lost portion only so the conversion is lossless to p8 FEL and flags DV when played?

Edit: Forgot to ask, for DV rpus, is generation via resolve always better than cm_analyze and these other newer methods assuming their is no official release that has manual L2 trim edits available? Sorry but not rereading last 100 pages to find this out. Thanks.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9040 Post by RESET_9999 » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:09 pm

tjayz wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:26 pm
Separate question, converting p7 FEL to p8 MEL I understand the FEL is lost, but reading some recent pages I learned of dovi_baker tool. Can this be used to bake in the lost portion only so the conversion is lossless to p8 FEL and flags DV when played?
yes but it requires re-encoding.
Edit: Forgot to ask, for DV rpus, is generation via resolve always better than cm_analyze
latest Resolve and CM use the same 2023 new algo
So the current dolby_vision_stuff is not current for this device? All the things that make dv suck through fire stick apply even if using Queitvoid's kodi on p7?
I just tried the newest Fire Tv and nothing changed regarding DV. Same issues and same stuttering with high bitrate video. I also could not get DTSHD nor TrueHD passthrough to work, all I got is LPCM like the old firetv.
I noticed that PLEX added support for Profile 7 (in the first gen too).
if using Queitvoid's kodi on p7?
yes
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9041 Post by tjayz » Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:06 pm

yes but it requires re-encoding.
Is there a guide buried in this thread somewhere that covers this?
latest Resolve and CM use the same 2023 new algo
To be clear, the two yield the exact same quality rpu no scene detect advantage or anything else?
Same issues and same stuttering with high bitrate video. I also could not get DTSHD nor TrueHD passthrough to work, all I got is LPCM like the old firetv.
I might order this and give it a test and return if it sucks as described, as it seems strange they boast passthrough yet you are getting lpcm which has no atmos.... If passthrough did work and one gains cmv 4.0 , and if can somehow tweak those stutters this is a very appealing device. I can't help but think those stutters are related to onboard wifi issues, maybe using AC or even N signal would be more stable than AX.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9042 Post by RESET_9999 » Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:22 pm

tjayz wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:06 pm
To be clear, the two yield the exact same quality rpu no scene detect advantage or anything else?
original scene cuts in CM is better but the difference is not big.
Is there a guide buried in this thread somewhere that covers this?
if you use the dovi_scripts, it's not too complicated.

automated: workflow 8-6-2
manual (with staxrip or in cli x265.exe):
1. workflow 7-1 in manual mode.
2. edit the avs script: remove the text overlay and uncomment convertbits(10)
3. convert the rpu to p8.
4. encode the avs file just like any HDR video file(with the rpu or inject it after the encode).
I might order this and give it a test and return if it sucks as described, as it seems strange they boast passthrough yet you are getting lpcm which has no atmos.... If passthrough did work and one gains cmv 4.0 , and if can somehow tweak those stutters this is a very appealing device.
not worth it.
Not true TV-LED and no 24fps support. DV MKV works great but most of my TS/M2TS give me a green or black screen. The Shield also stopped working with DV TS.

The ATV is the best solution for DV MKV rip IMO... Plus the TS/M2TS rip works (cant be FF/RW or resumed though)
And when Infuse will (I hope) add cmv4.0 support, it will be even better.
I can't help but think those stutters are related to onboard wifi issues, maybe using AC or even N signal would be more stable than AX.
its not a wifi issue. I tried the AC ethernet adaptor and it keeps buffering with the high bitrate test file.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9043 Post by tjayz » Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:44 pm

Per device description the Ethernet would be limited to 100mbs.

Nothing would resolve the TV-LED 24fps issues though. Maybe next gen cube will get it right.

Edit: Also per device description "Audio Support Dolby Atmos, 7.1 surround sound, 2-channel stereo, and HDMI audio pass through up to 5.1" if trying to pass through 7.1 and output 7.1 I think it would force lpcm, if trying to output 5.1 though think it might work, otherwise makes 0 sense lol
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9044 Post by quietvoid » Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:17 am

RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:22 pm
Not true TV-LED and no 24fps support.
The new stick 4K Max 2nd edition (2023) does do 24 fps now.
But not much has changed otherwise, though others report all lossless passthrough to work with Kodi.

According to Plex it's supposed to support DTS too.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#9045 Post by RESET_9999 » Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:30 am

good to know that it finally supports 24hz in plex/kodi

I only tried DTSHD 7.1 and TrueHD 7.1 in PLEX so as tjayz said , that might be the reason why if only 5.1 channels are supported via HDMI passthrough.
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