Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8881 Post by quietvoid » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm

thirdmoon wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:42 pm
I think they just want to make sure that the DV logo pops up, even if the content is just SDR. The Ahsoka show, Barbie are below 400nits most of the time.
400 nits is not SDR, and the image doesn't have to be bright all the time to be HDR.
Ahsoka looks nice and it's graded to 600 nits.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8882 Post by thirdmoon » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:38 pm

quietvoid wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
thirdmoon wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:42 pm
I think they just want to make sure that the DV logo pops up, even if the content is just SDR. The Ahsoka show, Barbie are below 400nits most of the time.
400 nits is not SDR, and the image doesn't have to be bright all the time to be HDR.
Ahsoka looks nice and it's graded to 600 nits.
I think Ahsoka looks better in SDR. For Ashoka HDR colours look washed no matter which screen I tried.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8883 Post by RESET_9999 » Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:47 pm

quietvoid wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:25 pm
400 nits is not SDR, and the image doesn't have to be bright all the time to be HDR.
Ahsoka looks nice and it's graded to 600 nits.

yeah, I agree and I'm fine with a 200-400 grade if that's intended. And most movies have an average brightness under 100nits with just the highlights that are brighter.
In NF One Piece the 600nits trim pass makes it a little brighter though.
Sorry for my English.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8884 Post by speeddemon » Mon Sep 18, 2023 5:46 pm

So what are the ideal settings to use now in the latest version of Resolve Studio (18.6 at the time of this post?)?
Are those results now identical to the latest version of CM_Analyze (5.4.0 at the time of this post?)?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8885 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:05 pm

same settings as before
Sorry for my English.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8886 Post by speeddemon » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:32 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:05 pm
same settings as before
Including 1080p Cubic scaling?
Did Black Magic adopt the latest CM_Analyze algo/tools into Resolve?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8887 Post by skull88 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:40 pm

speeddemon wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:32 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:05 pm
same settings as before
Including 1080p Cubic scaling?
Did Black Magic adopt the latest CM_Analyze algo/tools into Resolve?
Not to be harsh, but you really should put a little effort into figuring out answers to your questions, like looking up v18.6 release notes or reading the last 1-2 pages of this thread. It's been covered.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8888 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:14 pm

speeddemon wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:32 pm
Including 1080p Cubic scaling?
Did Black Magic adopt the latest CM_Analyze algo/tools into Resolve?
yes, yes.
Sorry for my English.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8889 Post by Iam2smart » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:07 am

What’s the best way to convert BL + FEL expanded movies now. Is it using Resolve/CM Analyze or Baking FEL into the base layer. What I used to do was Bake FEL into base layer is that wrong now? Or is it better to just use the script and use CM Analyze to generate whole new DV

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8890 Post by RESET_9999 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm

Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:07 am
What’s the best way to convert BL + FEL expanded movies now. Is it using Resolve/CM Analyze or Baking FEL into the base layer. What I used to do was Bake FEL into base layer is that wrong now? Or is it better to just use the script and use CM Analyze to generate whole new DV
If you have a decent CPU and know your way around x265.exe, baking FEL into BL is probably better.
Sorry for my English.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8891 Post by Iam2smart » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:21 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm
Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:07 am
What’s the best way to convert BL + FEL expanded movies now. Is it using Resolve/CM Analyze or Baking FEL into the base layer. What I used to do was Bake FEL into base layer is that wrong now? Or is it better to just use the script and use CM Analyze to generate whole new DV
If you have a decent CPU and know your way around x265.exe, baking FEL into BL is probably better.
Ok thanks I’ll do that I have a i7-13700k so it takes about a day but it works.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8892 Post by Iam2smart » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:02 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm
Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:07 am
What’s the best way to convert BL + FEL expanded movies now. Is it using Resolve/CM Analyze or Baking FEL into the base layer. What I used to do was Bake FEL into base layer is that wrong now? Or is it better to just use the script and use CM Analyze to generate whole new DV
If you have a decent CPU and know your way around x265.exe, baking FEL into BL is probably better.
I forgot to ask does the DV script work best for baking FEL in BL

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8893 Post by Trees » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:20 pm

I'm trying to inject HDR10+ metadata into an HR10 remux. However, the HDR10+ metadata is delayed by 24 frames.

How do I sync them? I'm familiar with syncing with dovi_tool, but I'm afraid it won't work with HDR10+.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8894 Post by speeddemon » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:09 pm

Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:21 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm
Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:07 am
What’s the best way to convert BL + FEL expanded movies now. Is it using Resolve/CM Analyze or Baking FEL into the base layer. What I used to do was Bake FEL into base layer is that wrong now? Or is it better to just use the script and use CM Analyze to generate whole new DV
If you have a decent CPU and know your way around x265.exe, baking FEL into BL is probably better.
Ok thanks I’ll do that I have a i7-13700k so it takes about a day but it works.
The part RESET mentioned about knowing your way around x265.exe is critical. I've found the following would be a good starting place:

Non-grainy live action sources:

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--crf 12 --preset slower --output-depth 10 --rskip 2 --rskip-edge-threshold 3 --ctu 32 --aq-mode 2 --hdr10-opt --repeat-headers --deblock -1:-1 --selective-sao 2
Grainy live action sources:

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--crf 12 --preset slower --output-depth 10 --rd 4 --psy-rd 4 --psy-rdoq 8 --rskip 2 --rskip-edge-threshold 2 --ctu 32 --aq-mode 4 --aq-strength 0.8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1 --hdr10-opt --repeat-headers --deblock -1:-1 --selective-sao 2
Don't forget to add-in/tweak the following for Anime:

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--bframes 16 --tskip --tskip-fast

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8895 Post by Iam2smart » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:53 pm

speeddemon wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:09 pm
Iam2smart wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:21 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 2:12 pm


If you have a decent CPU and know your way around x265.exe, baking FEL into BL is probably better.
Ok thanks I’ll do that I have a i7-13700k so it takes about a day but it works.
The part RESET mentioned about knowing your way around x265.exe is critical. I've found the following would be a good starting place:

Non-grainy live action sources:

Code: Select all

--crf 12 --preset slower --output-depth 10 --rskip 2 --rskip-edge-threshold 3 --ctu 32 --aq-mode 2 --hdr10-opt --repeat-headers --deblock -1:-1 --selective-sao 2
Grainy live action sources:

Code: Select all

--crf 12 --preset slower --output-depth 10 --rd 4 --psy-rd 4 --psy-rdoq 8 --rskip 2 --rskip-edge-threshold 2 --ctu 32 --aq-mode 4 --aq-strength 0.8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1 --hdr10-opt --repeat-headers --deblock -1:-1 --selective-sao 2
Don't forget to add-in/tweak the following for Anime:

Code: Select all

--bframes 16 --tskip --tskip-fast
I’ve just used the script before can I still use the DV Script or is it better now to use h265.exe

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