Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8656 Post by RESET_9999 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:09 pm

bbeny123 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:15 pm

Nope, I've tested LG C9 only.
It also works well on my C2 but the 2018 or older TV are more picky in regard of DV MP4.

if anyone with old LG TVs could test the latest beta script, workflows 7-2, that would be great. You have to update the mp4muxer.exe by the one from here: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8657 Post by EncodeThis420 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:38 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:09 pm
Sorry to reply to you directly but would you able to confirm my question on profile 8 hybrids? I can't find a diffinitive answer and it seems like EVERYONE is encoding with profile 8 hybrid formats now. I'm not seeing ANY native profile 5 formats any longer :-/. Do you see this as an issue? This is in reference to P5 streams combined with hdr10/+ streams, not hdr10 blurays that are combined with a p5 stream.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8658 Post by Chisum04 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:56 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:09 pm


if anyone with old LG TVs could test the latest beta script, workflows 7-2, that would be great.
I tested DV-Profile 8.1 with my Oppo, it played only HDR. Built-in Player in my Sony XR 90 plays Dolby. That is a pity, because ver 1.3 is really fast. Only ver 1.0 works reliable for my Oppo.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8659 Post by RESET_9999 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:49 pm

EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:38 pm
Sorry to reply to you directly but would you able to confirm my question on profile 8 hybrids? I can't find a diffinitive answer and it seems like EVERYONE is encoding with profile 8 hybrid formats now. I'm not seeing ANY native profile 5 formats any longer :-/. Do you see this as an issue? This is in reference to P5 streams combined with hdr10/+ streams, not hdr10 blurays that are combined with a p5 stream.
making p8 hybrid is not an issue as long as you make sure the P5 and HDR10 encode are the same brightness/master. I have a huge excel sheet about it in my signature.
Most of the p2p or scene groups make hybrid without checking any of this and it is a problem especially if they are not going to release the profile 5 source which seems to happen more frequently lately.
While most of the time, the P5 and HDR10 encode are from the same source/master, it doesn't mean it will always be the same, and making hybrid releases blindly is wrong.
And sometimes studios decide to deliver different trim pass even though it's from the same master.

two examples I came across recently:
Black Widow profile 5 iMAX is much brighter than the HDR10 IMAX web-dl: https://slow.pics/c/zzHW5Qhv
And recently Hot Pursuit (which FLUX only released hybrid P8): https://slow.pics/c/37t2bB4J

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8660 Post by EncodeThis420 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:08 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:49 pm
EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:38 pm
Sorry to reply to you directly but would you able to confirm my question on profile 8 hybrids? I can't find a diffinitive answer and it seems like EVERYONE is encoding with profile 8 hybrid formats now. I'm not seeing ANY native profile 5 formats any longer :-/. Do you see this as an issue? This is in reference to P5 streams combined with hdr10/+ streams, not hdr10 blurays that are combined with a p5 stream.
making p8 hybrid is not an issue as long as you make sure the P5 and HDR10 encode are the same brightness/master. I have a huge excel sheet about it in my signature.
Most of the p2p or scene groups make hybrid without checking any of this and it is a problem especially if they are not going to release the profile 5 source which seems to happen more frequently lately.
While most of the time, the P5 and HDR10 encode are from the same source/master, it doesn't mean it will always be the same, and making hybrid releases blindly is wrong.
And sometimes studios decide to deliver different trim pass even though it's from the same master.

two examples I came across recently:
Black Widow profile 5 iMAX is much brighter than the HDR10 IMAX web-dl: https://slow.pics/c/zzHW5Qhv
And recently Hot Pursuit (which FLUX only released hybrid P8): https://slow.pics/c/37t2bB4J
Thanks. This is kind of what I was afraid of. There's really no way (for a normal person like myself) to tell whether a "hybrid" encode was done properly. I'm basically seeing ONLY hybrid files for all new streaming shows being encoded. These encoders are not posting the original profile 5 sources which is absolutely infuriating. I rather just grab P5 versions so that I know that it has the correct brightness. Why in the world are people not doing this? What changed? Is there any possible way to like "reverse engineer" these files to split back out the p5 stream? or is that impossible?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8661 Post by bbeny123 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:37 pm

Chisum04 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:56 pm
I tested DV-Profile 8.1 with my Oppo, it played only HDR. Built-in Player in my Sony XR 90 plays Dolby. That is a pity, because ver 1.3 is really fast. Only ver 1.0 works reliable for my Oppo.
My fixes were focused on DV-Profile 7 (dual track), but it is possible that version 1.3.2 will also work with the Oppo.

1.3.2-alpha1: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha1

If 1.3.2-alpha1 still does not work, you can also try 1.3.2-alpha2: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha2

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8662 Post by bobbymkV » Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:05 pm

EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:08 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:49 pm
EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:38 pm
Sorry to reply to you directly but would you able to confirm my question on profile 8 hybrids? I can't find a diffinitive answer and it seems like EVERYONE is encoding with profile 8 hybrid formats now. I'm not seeing ANY native profile 5 formats any longer :-/. Do you see this as an issue? This is in reference to P5 streams combined with hdr10/+ streams, not hdr10 blurays that are combined with a p5 stream.
making p8 hybrid is not an issue as long as you make sure the P5 and HDR10 encode are the same brightness/master. I have a huge excel sheet about it in my signature.
Most of the p2p or scene groups make hybrid without checking any of this and it is a problem especially if they are not going to release the profile 5 source which seems to happen more frequently lately.
While most of the time, the P5 and HDR10 encode are from the same source/master, it doesn't mean it will always be the same, and making hybrid releases blindly is wrong.
And sometimes studios decide to deliver different trim pass even though it's from the same master.

two examples I came across recently:
Black Widow profile 5 iMAX is much brighter than the HDR10 IMAX web-dl: https://slow.pics/c/zzHW5Qhv
And recently Hot Pursuit (which FLUX only released hybrid P8): https://slow.pics/c/37t2bB4J
Thanks. This is kind of what I was afraid of. There's really no way (for a normal person like myself) to tell whether a "hybrid" encode was done properly. I'm basically seeing ONLY hybrid files for all new streaming shows being encoded. These encoders are not posting the original profile 5 sources which is absolutely infuriating. I rather just grab P5 versions so that I know that it has the correct brightness. Why in the world are people not doing this? What changed? Is there any possible way to like "reverse engineer" these files to split back out the p5 stream? or is that impossible?
I stopped grabbing p8 hybrids earlier this year when I learned all of this. There is really only one uploader that I trust.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8663 Post by EncodeThis420 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:43 pm

bobbymkV wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:05 pm
EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:08 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:49 pm


making p8 hybrid is not an issue as long as you make sure the P5 and HDR10 encode are the same brightness/master. I have a huge excel sheet about it in my signature.
Most of the p2p or scene groups make hybrid without checking any of this and it is a problem especially if they are not going to release the profile 5 source which seems to happen more frequently lately.
While most of the time, the P5 and HDR10 encode are from the same source/master, it doesn't mean it will always be the same, and making hybrid releases blindly is wrong.
And sometimes studios decide to deliver different trim pass even though it's from the same master.

two examples I came across recently:
Black Widow profile 5 iMAX is much brighter than the HDR10 IMAX web-dl: https://slow.pics/c/zzHW5Qhv
And recently Hot Pursuit (which FLUX only released hybrid P8): https://slow.pics/c/37t2bB4J
Thanks. This is kind of what I was afraid of. There's really no way (for a normal person like myself) to tell whether a "hybrid" encode was done properly. I'm basically seeing ONLY hybrid files for all new streaming shows being encoded. These encoders are not posting the original profile 5 sources which is absolutely infuriating. I rather just grab P5 versions so that I know that it has the correct brightness. Why in the world are people not doing this? What changed? Is there any possible way to like "reverse engineer" these files to split back out the p5 stream? or is that impossible?
I stopped grabbing p8 hybrids earlier this year when I learned all of this. There is really only one uploader that I trust.
Is there any way that you could share which uploader you trust? Not sure of the rules here or if you can even send private messages. Feel free to decline if I am crossing a line.

But yea. I just don't understand it.....uploaders who used to upload source P5 materials just randomly all switched to uploading P8 files. I have no idea what happened. I legit cannot find any P5 files of recent streamed shows. They're literally all P8 lol. If they know that P8 files are bad form....then why do they keep doing it?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8664 Post by skull88 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:36 pm

EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:43 pm
bobbymkV wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:05 pm
EncodeThis420 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:08 pm


Thanks. This is kind of what I was afraid of. There's really no way (for a normal person like myself) to tell whether a "hybrid" encode was done properly. I'm basically seeing ONLY hybrid files for all new streaming shows being encoded. These encoders are not posting the original profile 5 sources which is absolutely infuriating. I rather just grab P5 versions so that I know that it has the correct brightness. Why in the world are people not doing this? What changed? Is there any possible way to like "reverse engineer" these files to split back out the p5 stream? or is that impossible?
I stopped grabbing p8 hybrids earlier this year when I learned all of this. There is really only one uploader that I trust.
Is there any way that you could share which uploader you trust? Not sure of the rules here or if you can even send private messages. Feel free to decline if I am crossing a line.

But yea. I just don't understand it.....uploaders who used to upload source P5 materials just randomly all switched to uploading P8 files. I have no idea what happened. I legit cannot find any P5 files of recent streamed shows. They're literally all P8 lol. If they know that P8 files are bad form....then why do they keep doing it?
I suggest this is better to be taken offline into private discussion. My suggestion is just consider paying to watch on your favourite streaming platform, if the possibility of poor DV metadata bothers you this much from said "other" sources. As for why the prevalence of profile 8 DV hybrids now over p5/p8 split before: compatibility and saving time/bandwidth. Cheers.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8665 Post by Chisum04 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:32 pm

bbeny123 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:37 pm


My fixes were focused on DV-Profile 7 (dual track), but it is possible that version 1.3.2 will also work with the Oppo.

1.3.2-alpha1: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha1

If 1.3.2-alpha1 still does not work, you can also try 1.3.2-alpha2: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha2
Alpha 2 triggers Dolby on my Oppo, Alpha 1 fails. MP4 in alpha 1 und 2 is hev1, in ver 1.0 they are dvhe (nevertheless triggering Dolby)

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8666 Post by NiCE77 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:18 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:09 pm
bbeny123 wrote:
Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:15 pm

Nope, I've tested LG C9 only.
It also works well on my C2 but the 2018 or older TV are more picky in regard of DV MP4.

if anyone with old LG TVs could test the latest beta script, workflows 7-2, that would be great. You have to update the mp4muxer.exe by the one from here: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer
Only HDR on LG B8.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8667 Post by bbeny123 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm

Chisum04 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:32 pm
Alpha 2 triggers Dolby on my Oppo, Alpha 1 fails. MP4 in alpha 1 und 2 is hev1, in ver 1.0 they are dvhe (nevertheless triggering Dolby)
Could you share a sample of original file?

NiCE77 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:18 pm
Only HDR on LG B8.
Have you tried the 1.3.2-alpha2: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha2?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8668 Post by NiCE77 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:34 pm

bbeny123 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm
Chisum04 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:32 pm
Alpha 2 triggers Dolby on my Oppo, Alpha 1 fails. MP4 in alpha 1 und 2 is hev1, in ver 1.0 they are dvhe (nevertheless triggering Dolby)
Could you share a sample of original file?

NiCE77 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:18 pm
Only HDR on LG B8.
Have you tried the 1.3.2-alpha2: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha2?
1.3.2-alpha2 works fine, thanks!

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8669 Post by Chisum04 » Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:30 am

bbeny123 wrote:
Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:22 pm

Could you share a sample of original file?
"Original file" meaning the RPU injected hevc-file? The Original from the UHD is without Dolby. If you provide a download link via PM I could upload.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#8670 Post by bbeny123 » Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:12 am

Chisum04 wrote:
Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:30 am
"Original file" meaning the RPU injected hevc-file? The Original from the UHD is without Dolby. If you provide a download link via PM I could upload.
I dont't need it anymore, I managed to find some other video with DV profile 8.1 :)

Could you please check out version 1.3.2-alpha3? It should work with Oppo (and older LG TVs) and have the codec set correctly to 'dvhe'.

1.3.2-alpha3: https://github.com/bbeny123/mp4muxer/re ... 3.2-alpha3

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