New protection? Season of the Witch BD

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blumark
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New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#1 Post by blumark » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:21 am

I have just tried to rip 'Season of the Witch' region 2/B Blu-Ray

it completed as per usual, however there is no picture when played back, just audio.

Is this a new kind of protection?

I have tried DVDFab and it crashes, Anydvd says it needs ctritical update!

Any ideas?


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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#3 Post by blumark » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:15 pm

I will do that when I get home but I can't remember seeing any error messages - as I said it seemed to copy as normal!

I tried using two different computers and drives, both copied fine but no video playback (just audio) using both Xbmc and VLC.

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#4 Post by crowfax » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:38 pm

VC-1 interlaced video stream perhaps?

Can you use mediaInfo on the MKV file that was created to check and post back?
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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#5 Post by blumark » Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:59 pm

Here you go:

General
Unique ID : 291968585472615912327238938935707256697 (0xDBA71AAA1CC772933D59CA8BE3934779)
Complete name : F:\Season Of The Witch.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 18.7 GiB
Duration : 1h 30mn
Overall bit rate : 29.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-06-05 11:57:39
Writing application : MakeMKV v1.6.10 win(x64-release)
Writing library : libmakemkv v1.6.10 (1.2.0/1.1.0) win(x64-release)

Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 25.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.498
Stream size : 16.4 GiB (88%)
Language : English

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 576 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : English

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 982 MiB (5%)
Title : 3/2+1
Language : English

Text
ID : 4
Format : PGS
Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
Language : English

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 00
00:07:45.520 : en:Chapter 01
00:14:31.440 : en:Chapter 02
00:22:58.440 : en:Chapter 03
00:29:31.360 : en:Chapter 04
00:38:03.080 : en:Chapter 05
00:44:50.440 : en:Chapter 06
00:53:35.480 : en:Chapter 07
01:00:40.640 : en:Chapter 08
01:09:02.760 : en:Chapter 09
01:14:59.360 : en:Chapter 10
01:21:31.560 : en:Chapter 11

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#6 Post by crowfax » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:11 pm

blumark wrote:Video
ID : 1
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : WVC1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 25.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.498
Stream size : 16.4 GiB (88%)
Language : English
Yup. Interlaced VC-1.

This is why you can hear the audio but not see the video, you need to use a media player capable of playing back interlaced VC-1.
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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#7 Post by blumark » Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:53 pm

Bugger!

This is the first one out of about 200 rips.

My HTPC runs Xbmc and I want to keep it that way, is there any way round this?

Is this interlacing a new thing? seems odd that neither DVDFab or Anydvd could handle this disc.

Thanks for pointing this out crowfax

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#8 Post by Romansh » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:53 pm

blumark wrote:My HTPC runs Xbmc and I want to keep it that way, is there any way round this?
Not as far as I know. There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.
blumark wrote:Is this interlacing a new thing?
Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video
blumark wrote:seems odd that neither DVDFab or Anydvd could handle this disc.
IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#9 Post by blumark » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:31 pm

Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.
Well it actually looks like its on its way back in!

This Bluray was only released this week!

Looks like a simple way to knock out ripping.
IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.
There is something in this disc that crashes DVDfab and prevents Anydvd from copying it.
Only MakeMKV could rip it albeit in my case an unusable rip.

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#10 Post by Romansh » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:36 am

blumark wrote:
Not really. It's actually an old thing that's hopefully on its way out.
Well it actually looks like its on its way back in!

This Bluray was only released this week!

Looks like a simple way to knock out ripping.
No. It's all about the source - if it was shot interlaced, it's better and/or easier to encode it interlaced than to de-interlace it and encode it as progressive video. It has absolutely nothing to do with copy protection.

It does seem very odd for a big production that was shot on film (which is progressive, not interlaced), though. It looks like they converted it from 23.976 to 25 fps, too (which is common on DVD but not on Blu-ray). I wouldn't buy this disc.
blumark wrote:
IMO that's unrelated. Plenty of Blu-rays have special features encoded in interlaced VC-1, and various rippers (including AnyDVD and, obviously, MakeMKV) handle them fine.
There is something in this disc that crashes DVDfab and prevents Anydvd from copying it.
Only MakeMKV could rip it albeit in my case an unusable rip.
Yes; I'm just saying it isn't the way the video stream was encoded. Since you pointed out it was just released, it's probably a new version of AACS and/or BD+.

For people who were wondering (like I did) whether we'd reached the end of June already, it seems the movie was released in France (and possibly a few other countries) already:

http://www.amazon.fr/Dernier-templiers- ... B004P4I4TG

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#11 Post by setarip_old » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:51 pm

Hi!

This is extremely curious, as I just purchased the U.S. version - and it is (as we've grown to expect) H.264 1080p.

BTW - I had no problem using MakeMKV to perform both a fully functional full disc backup and a fully functional conversion to MKV (No problem performing a full disc backup with DVDFab either)


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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#12 Post by robpdotcom » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:37 am

Romansh wrote:There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.
Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#13 Post by KYThrill » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:29 pm

robpdotcom wrote:
Romansh wrote:There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.
Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.
My Dune media player has also played interlaced VC-1 MKV's, even though it was several firmware versions ago. A good reminder I should probably go back and re-check since the released a new BD engine in firmware since then.

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#14 Post by Romansh » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:50 pm

robpdotcom wrote:
Romansh wrote:There is currently no open-source VC-1 decoder which supports interlaced compression.
Microsoft's WMVideo Decoder and ffdshow's wmv-9 both can play interlaced VC-1.
Please don't take my comment out of context. The former decoder is neither cross-platform nor open source (so not suitable for use by an HTPC running XBMC, at least under Linux - or OS X); I'd have thought the latter would be the FFmpeg/libavcodec decoder (which does not support interlaced VC-1), but maybe it's something else?

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Re: New protection? Season of the Witch BD

#15 Post by SmithGraham » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:29 pm

I got a BRip and a DVDRIP. Both were quite ok.

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