Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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ArArdin
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by ArArdin » Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pm

Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:29 pm
Compared to the Sony, the Zidoo appeared to produce a somewhat softer image with less depth and at times too “digital”. The colors were not as vibrant (for example the grass around the hobbits’ houses, as well as fire scenes). The Sony also gives a brighter DoVi image for some reason.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like you're comparing "player-led" modes. Which on itself is fine of course. I've always experienced a nicer image when tonemapping is done by (my) tv. Therefore, I always have "tv-led" mode set.
sofakng wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:15 pm
Can Dolby Vision be decoded on a PC to display on an HDR monitor?
Not so for "power", I doubt if there is or ever will be any soft- or hardware that can convert all DV into static HDR video. Dolby Vision profiles are a mix of single- and duallayer videostreams, different HDR families, and profile 5 is even encoded in a DV proprietary colorspace. RPU is dynamic, which has to be converted into static HDR10 metadata. If there'd be software or hardware that can take care of this all, I would be surprised tbh.

Some DV profiles already carry HDR10 video, which can directly be played back on a HDR10-supporting monitor. Where RPU and possibly present FEL will be ignored of course.

Amused
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Amused » Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm

ArArdin wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pm
Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:29 pm
Compared to the Sony, the Zidoo appeared to produce a somewhat softer image with less depth and at times too “digital”. The colors were not as vibrant (for example the grass around the hobbits’ houses, as well as fire scenes). The Sony also gives a brighter DoVi image for some reason.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like you're comparing "player-led" modes. Which on itself is fine of course. I've always experienced a nicer image when tonemapping is done by (my) tv. Therefore, I always have "tv-led" mode set.
TV-led on both devices.
UHD players: Sony X700, Zidoo Z1000 Pro
Audio system: Sony HT-A9
TV: Sony 77A80J

deadchip12
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by deadchip12 » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:04 pm

Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm
ArArdin wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pm
Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:29 pm
Compared to the Sony, the Zidoo appeared to produce a somewhat softer image with less depth and at times too “digital”. The colors were not as vibrant (for example the grass around the hobbits’ houses, as well as fire scenes). The Sony also gives a brighter DoVi image for some reason.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like you're comparing "player-led" modes. Which on itself is fine of course. I've always experienced a nicer image when tonemapping is done by (my) tv. Therefore, I always have "tv-led" mode set.
TV-led on both devices.
Is there a way to check if the x700 is playing tv led dolby vision instead of play led?

powdeau
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by powdeau » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:14 am

So how big the issue is with the L1 bug on C1+x700 in real content (BD movies)? Is it night and day difference like in the pattern videos? Is the DV on BD still better than HDR10?

Amused
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Amused » Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:02 am

deadchip12 wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:04 pm
Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm
ArArdin wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 pm

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like you're comparing "player-led" modes. Which on itself is fine of course. I've always experienced a nicer image when tonemapping is done by (my) tv. Therefore, I always have "tv-led" mode set.
TV-led on both devices.
Is there a way to check if the x700 is playing tv led dolby vision instead of play led?
I have the Philips HDMI Sync Box between the tv and both players (Sony and Zidoo). The Sync Box synchronizes the lights of different Philips hue products to the image on the screen.

The Sync Box works with Dolby Vision only if it’s player-led (LLDV). It doesn’t work with TV-led Dolby Vision, unless I switch on the “Dolby Vision Enhanced compatibility” option inside the Sync Box settings. This option basically forces the player to switch to LLDV and then the lights work. So if the Hue lights sync without the DV enhanced compatibility option checked - it’s player-led DV. If they don’t work - it’s TV-led DV.
UHD players: Sony X700, Zidoo Z1000 Pro
Audio system: Sony HT-A9
TV: Sony 77A80J

deadchip12
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by deadchip12 » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:46 am

Amused wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:02 am
deadchip12 wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:04 pm
Amused wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:16 pm


TV-led on both devices.
Is there a way to check if the x700 is playing tv led dolby vision instead of play led?
I have the Philips HDMI Sync Box between the tv and both players (Sony and Zidoo). The Sync Box synchronizes the lights of different Philips hue products to the image on the screen.

The Sync Box works with Dolby Vision only if it’s player-led (LLDV). It doesn’t work with TV-led Dolby Vision, unless I switch on the “Dolby Vision Enhanced compatibility” option inside the Sync Box settings. This option basically forces the player to switch to LLDV and then the lights work. So if the Hue lights sync without the DV enhanced compatibility option checked - it’s player-led DV. If they don’t work - it’s TV-led DV.
Does the x700 switch to tv led dolby vision automatically when the tv supports tv led dolby vision? There's no option to switch between tv led and player led on the x700.

Amused
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Amused » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:57 am

deadchip12 wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:46 am
Amused wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:02 am
deadchip12 wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:04 pm

Is there a way to check if the x700 is playing tv led dolby vision instead of play led?
I have the Philips HDMI Sync Box between the tv and both players (Sony and Zidoo). The Sync Box synchronizes the lights of different Philips hue products to the image on the screen.

The Sync Box works with Dolby Vision only if it’s player-led (LLDV). It doesn’t work with TV-led Dolby Vision, unless I switch on the “Dolby Vision Enhanced compatibility” option inside the Sync Box settings. This option basically forces the player to switch to LLDV and then the lights work. So if the Hue lights sync without the DV enhanced compatibility option checked - it’s player-led DV. If they don’t work - it’s TV-led DV.
Does the x700 switch to tv led dolby vision automatically when the tv supports tv led dolby vision? There's no option to switch between tv led and player led on the x700.
I think this is precisely the way it works. I believe it will always send TV-led DV (8 bit) if the TV supports it, otherwise it will send LLDV (12 bit). There is no option to switch between player-led and TV-led on the Sony, I think Oppo 203 has this option (as well as the Zidoo players).
UHD players: Sony X700, Zidoo Z1000 Pro
Audio system: Sony HT-A9
TV: Sony 77A80J

staknhalo
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by staknhalo » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:01 pm

Do you guys see any difference perceptually with TV led? Or just want it cause it's technically better? I know even if you see something it could be subjective in perception, etc - just curious really. I feel like when I watch a FEL for example the image has more depth to it it seems.

RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:40 pm

staknhalo wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:01 pm
Do you guys see any difference perceptually with TV led?
it depends on which player you use. On the x700/x800m2/Shield the L1 and L2 trims are not working at all in LLDV.

staknhalo
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by staknhalo » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:36 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:40 pm
staknhalo wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:01 pm
Do you guys see any difference perceptually with TV led?
it depends on which player you use. On the x700/x800m2/Shield the L1 and L2 trims are not working at all in LLDV.
ah, so there's obvious stuff missing

sergonnn111
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by sergonnn111 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:50 pm

HI i don t understand how i can drag and drop mkv file doly vision into reset999 scripts i want to do ts file dolby vision i just dont understand sorry for my english

RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:51 pm

sergonnn111 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:50 pm
HI i don t understand how i can drag and drop mkv file doly vision into reset999 scripts i want to do ts file dolby vision i just dont understand sorry for my english
if you want profile 8 DV for TV playback(or any other non-fel device) and your MKV input is profile 7, select: 4-2-1 if you have to convert lossless audio or if not: 4-2-3
if you want DV playback on x700/x800m2/oppo and your MKV input is profile 7, select: 4-3-2 if you want to convert THD or if not: 4-3-4
There are workflows for when your input is bluray disc as well.

if your MKV input is profile 8 or 5, just remux in tsmuxer.

sergonnn111
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by sergonnn111 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:16 pm

yes, my mkv file in 8 profile dolby vision and i did it in last versions of ts muxer and this don t work, i don t know why but Hybrid mkv 8 profile is working in ts muxer and native lg oled player is dolby vision

sergonnn111
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by sergonnn111 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:17 pm

my tv is lg oled e8 2018

RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:06 pm

sergonnn111 wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:17 pm
my tv is lg oled e8 2018
with tsmuxer file + plex on 2018 LG tv:
1- Audio must be AC3 / EAC3 or DTS,DTSHD. DV won't work if the audio is TrueHD.
2- pgs subtitles must not be selected: only external srt works with DV TS

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