Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[staknhalo]

Ah, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about the case of supporting non-DV displays. I still think in that case I would personally just keep both files, because hard disks are cheap and time is expensive

If we were just talking about movies, I'd agree, but with TV show episodes now too in 4K DV5+HDR10, even as cheap as HDDs might be, and at lower bitrates, it's a lot of data to duplicate vs mix into one - at least for me who also subjectively likes to keep everything fitting nice and neat in a Synology 918+ with no extension units (yet) - I'm not doing a full rack or anything on my end.

I also try to combine all HDR formats I can find, so I even try to merge in HDR10+ with the DV5/DV8 if I can find a match.

[mehgh750]

Those are all good questions @hell001

Is this a reversible process? As in if I had the hybrid file, could I revert back to HDR-only and DV-only files? Or would I have need to kept the separated files if I wanted them split again? If it's possible, could someone provide some script examples?

You can get back the HDR10-only file from the hybrid, but not the DV-only file. The reason for that is a P8 hybrid takes everything from the HDR10 file and then adds only part of the DV file. The part that's added is called the RPU, and is the precious DV metadata, and so we extract that out, and then discard the rest of the video information from the DV-only source file.

There are many different TVs and streaming clients. From what I understand, some of them either do or don't support Profile 5. Or Profile 7. Or Profile 8. If I was using a client that does not support Profile 8, wouldn't I be out of luck with the hybrid file even though it has DV? Whereas I could have actually been watching in DV if I had just used the DV-only Profile 5 file? So it's not like creating these hybrid files is the one-size-fits-all solution and it is NOT safe to assume that after this process we will always be watching in DV, right?

Yes, that's right. For me, the point of making hybrids is that it gives the highest possible quality for movies that are available on UHDBD, but don't have DV on the disc. So we extract the DV from the WEB-DL, add that to the HDR10 from the disc, and have the best of both worlds with the high-bitrate video from the disc and the DV metadata from the download to allow your TV to do the best-possible tonemapping.

I hadn't actually heard before of people making hybrids where both the HDR10 and the DV come from different WEB-DL rips. I guess the point of that is if you have a device that can do P8, but not P5? To be honest, in that scenario I would strongly advise just getting another device that can do P5 if at all possible, because they're easy to find and cheap, and making hybrids is always time-consuming even if you have scripts to help.

Related to the above, I am interested in hearing some of your setups that take advantage of this hybrid process where the comments in my previous question are not an issue. What do you do in scenarios where it doesn't play in DV?

@RESET_9999 made a fantastic spreadsheet summarizing the playback device options with their pros and cons, but my personal setup that I'm very very happy with is:

• Sony X800M2 for P7 rips (where the original disc had DV), P8 hybrid rips (where the original disc didn't have DV), and HDR10 rips (where I haven't been able to find a DV source)
• Apple TV 4K for P5 rips and all streaming

The only substantial compromises with the X800M2 are that you have to use M2TS files (easy when you know how), you don't get chapters, have to manually turn on any forced subtitles, and have to use Wi-Fi rather than Ethernet because it only has a 100Mbps Ethernet port which isn't fast enough. But those are all well worth it imo for the best-possible-available video and audio quality.

You can swap the Apple TV 4K for something else if you don't like Apple or disapprove of the price, but since P5 is the totally mainstream format used for DV streaming it's well-supported by lots of devices.

Can you please tell me how to use tsMuxer to create proper BDMV folders from BDMVs ripped from UHD discs? Icannot find any instruction explaining the workflow.
Thanks

[mehgh750]

@ RESET_9999
The link to your Youtube video is broken. Can you please share the video once again?
Thanks

[Yoshitaka]

I have remuxed an HEVC with ac3 to make a dv mp4 but it is stuttering on my C9.. Playing through USB port and flagged as Dolby Vision no problem, no pink video, but just extremely choppy. Stop and start. Audio is in sync too with it..
What could be some problems that have caused this? I've never had this issue before..

[RESET_9999]

@ RESET_9999
The link to your Youtube video is broken. Can you please share the video once again?
Thanks

the tutorial videos link is in my signature.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fold ... L2KFZWTqKr

[FubbAyH]

Can you please tell me how to use tsMuxer to create proper BDMV folders from BDMVs ripped from UHD discs? Icannot find any instruction explaining the workflow.

When you say "proper BDMV folders" do you mean with menus and extras? If so, I don't think think that's something you can do with tsMuxer. If you just want a barebones BDMV folder for compatibility with a player where that's the only option, then I think it's as simple as dragging in the .mpls playlist of the movie to the input section and selecting the "Blu-ray folder" output option, but it isn't part of my workflow so I don't know more than that, I'm afraid.

If we were just talking about movies, I'd agree, but with TV show episodes now too in 4K DV5+HDR10, even as cheap as HDDs might be, and at lower bitrates, it's a lot of data to duplicate vs mix into one - at least for me who also subjectively likes to keep everything fitting nice and neat in a Synology 918+ with no extension units (yet) - I'm not doing a full rack or anything on my end.

Good point. I only keep a very select few TV shows in my collection because I can't be bothered to deal with so many files. My NAS is an old Intel NUC with three USB hard drives sitting next to it, so yours is considerably fancier than mine!

[mehgh750]

Can you please tell me how to use tsMuxer to create proper BDMV folders from BDMVs ripped from UHD discs? Icannot find any instruction explaining the workflow.

When you say "proper BDMV folders" do you mean with menus and extras? If so, I don't think think that's something you can do with tsMuxer. If you just want a barebones BDMV folder for compatibility with a player where that's the only option, then I think it's as simple as dragging in the .mpls playlist of the movie to the input section and selecting the "Blu-ray folder" output option, but it isn't part of my workflow so I don't know more than that, I'm afraid.

If we were just talking about movies, I'd agree, but with TV show episodes now too in 4K DV5+HDR10, even as cheap as HDDs might be, and at lower bitrates, it's a lot of data to duplicate vs mix into one - at least for me who also subjectively likes to keep everything fitting nice and neat in a Synology 918+ with no extension units (yet) - I'm not doing a full rack or anything on my end.

Good point. I only keep a very select few TV shows in my collection because I can't be bothered to deal with so many files. My NAS is an old Intel NUC with three USB hard drives sitting next to it, so yours is considerably fancier than mine!

Thank you very much for your reply. I do not care about the menus, just want to create BDMVs which Sony X800M2 can play with proper DV grading. I am very new to this so didn't think it was that simple. So why are people trying to convert BDMV to MKVs. I think only Shield can play MKVs but it messes up DV.
Thanks again

[FubbAyH]

Oh, you're in luck then. For the X800M2 you don't need to use BDMV. You can just remux to M2TS and play those files from USB or over the network with DV working perfectly. Just use the "M2TS muxing" option in txMuxeR GUI.

[hell001]

I do make a p8 hybrid from p5/hdr10 web-dl because I find it more practical to have an HDR10 BL and I can stream it on every TV in my house including the one that doesnt support DV.
plus I don't really see the difference between p5 and p8 eventhough p5 uses a more efficient colorspace.

And less file space taken up vs individual, separate HDR10+DV5 files to alternatively maintain that broad device playback support

Do you guys keep copies of your P5 DV file after making the hybrid for devices that don't support P8? Or do you only watch on the devices that support P8? The thing that is getting to me is that if I find myself in a situation watching on a device that doesn't support P8 but does P5, that I could have been watching in DV if I didn't create a hybrid. Unless there is some solution to this that I am missing to always be watching in DV regardless of profile.

[mehgh750]

@ RESET_9999
The link to your Youtube video is broken. Can you please share the video once again?
Thanks

the tutorial videos link is in my signature.
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fold ... L2KFZWTqKr

Thank you very much.

[mehgh750]

Oh, you're in luck then. For the X800M2 you don't need to use BDMV. You can just remux to M2TS and play those files from USB or over the network with DV working perfectly. Just use the "M2TS muxing" option in txMuxeR GUI.

Good to hear that. So I just need to drag in the .mpls playlist of the movie to the input section and use M2TS muxing option in txMuxeR GUI, right?

[FubbAyH]

Yep, that's right. You can turn off any audio or subtitle tracks you don't want by unchecking the boxes for them, but you do need to keep both video tracks (the ones with the codec shown as HEVC) for DV to work.

[staknhalo]

Do you guys keep copies of your P5 DV file after making the hybrid for devices that don't support P8? Or do you only watch on the devices that support P8? The thing that is getting to me is that if I find myself in a situation watching on a device that doesn't support P8 but does P5, that I could have been watching in DV if I didn't create a hybrid. Unless there is some solution to this that I am missing to always be watching in DV regardless of profile.

All my Android TV devices that support p5 also support p8.

[mehgh750]

Yep, that's right. You can turn off any audio or subtitle tracks you don't want by unchecking the boxes for them, but you do need to keep both video tracks (the ones with the codec shown as HEVC) for DV to work.

Thank you very much for all the info.
Cheers

[Arkz147]

Hi,

If I may : what is the best choice, between Zidoo Z9X and Dune HD Real Vision 4K, for playing DV using Kodi and Fen/Seren/Venom (or a Kodi-like app) ?
By playing DV, I mean MKV/MP4, and more profiles supported than by my Shield Pro (Remux-friendly, and without messed up colors).

Thanks for any help.

I had the same issue and went with the Dune based on user feedback. Seems like they are better at firmware/software updates then Zidoo. With that said, I have not seen or used the Zidoo. I have confirmed that the Dune HD Real Vision 4k Solo plays both DV 7 profiles. You are going to want to use the built in player no matter which one you go with. Due to either licensing or content providers not allowing it, they are limited to at best, 4K no HDR and Prime video is actually 480p. There is some weird licensing with content providers or they get to choose who gets 4kHDR with streaming services. The Dune is hands down the best media player I have ever used. The fact that it does resolution and framerate changes with no HDMI drop outs is a huge plus. The built in player is all you need really. It does come with a YouTube variant that can actually play HDR. In fact yesterday I was watching something and it came us as HLG. Bohemian Rhapsody, one of the few HDR10+ movies available looked and sounded amazing. It's not for Netflix, Hula, Dis+, ect... The Android in both is crippled by resolution limitations. I only use my Shield now for streaming services. It plays DV profile 4, 6, 7 *MEL and FEL, and 8. Most remux's use 8. HDR10+ (shield doesn't support), HDR10, and HLG. I can't confirm profile 4 due to my setup and it being STD (display does tone mapping, not LLDV). The one thing you will notice right away is no judder, especially compared with the Shield. I had issues with Judder on some content on the Shield. Being able to send out 12b LLDV for SDR content helps with banding and it properly remaps the color tones for pretty much any scenario. While still in Beta, the new GUI is a huge improvement http://dune-hd.com/firmware/newgui/

Thanks a lot, sorry for the late answer.

What about Kodi on Dune, VS ZDMC on Zidoo ?
Are you using Maven's build, being able to use Dune's internal player, to process the files ?
Is it smooth with Fen (I'm worried about it being slow, compared to my Shield) ?

Thanks again !