Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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deadchip12
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6016 Post by deadchip12 » Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm

So I read that for the x700 to play dolby vision m2ts without issues we need to remux it to bluray folder structure and put it in the root folder.

What about non dolby vision movies, i.e. hdr10 movies? Do we need to the same thing? What if the file is not m2ts but remuxed mkv, will the hdr10 and dolby atmos still work on the x700?
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6017 Post by mtotheb » Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:07 pm

nekno wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:11 pm
You really just want the DTS-HD bitstream passed through, not decoded, right?
Yes
nekno wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:11 pm
Seems likely that the Amlogic DTS-HD decoder takes DTS-HD input but only decodes the lossy DTS core.

That's how, e.g., Plex's DCA decoder works.

Otherwise they would need to be paying for a hardware decoder license.
Which I think they do with this stick. DTS-HD branding/license info is all over the packaging and info material for this stick. Also the DTS-HD source I used didn’t have the lossy core which might explain why DTS:X doesn’t play/bitstream but DTS-HD MA does.
nekno wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:11 pm

But ultimately, you don't want it decoded by the stick, you want it passed through for the soundbar to decode.

Since your soundbar is reporting DTS, seems like the Amlogic is decoding and re-encoding to DTS at worst, or only the DTS core is getting pass through at best.
With the sound settings set to Bitstream it seems to do the right passthrough when the edid supports it else it probably HW decodes that with any source that is “supported”. Not using Bitstream just reencodes everything to Dolby Digital.

I assume you have this plugged into your LG B1 and it's passing audio to the soundbar via eARC? Does the B1 pass lossless audio from an HDMI input out via eARC?

On the Sony A80J/A90J, it supports lossless audio over eARC, but only when played back via internal apps. The Sony OLEDs won't take lossless audio from one HDMI port and pass it out through to the eARC HDMI input. TrueHD audio doesn't play at all and DTS-HD only passes through the DTS core or doesn't play, either. So that may be what's happening here if the B1 behaves the same way.
I have the devices directly connected to the Soundbar bc I know the LG B1 doesn’t passthrough any DTS (so stupid but that’s a another discussion) over eArc.
Shield TV 2017 -> LG DSN10YG Soundbar with SPK8 Rears -> LG B1 OLED

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6018 Post by nekno » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:54 pm

deadchip12 wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
So I read that for the x700 to play dolby vision m2ts without issues we need to remux it to bluray folder structure and put it in the root folder.
If you want to play a DV P7 file that was originally ripped from a UHD BD, then yes, you want to remux back into BDMV format and put the folders at the root of a USB drive.

If you want to play a DV P8 file that was converted from P5 (streaming services) or P7 (UHD BD) then you want to remux the file into a single m2ts file and can place the file anywhere on a USB drive.

It's possible you can also remux DV P8 files into BDMV format in order to preserve chapters. I had this work a while back, but I haven't gotten it to work more recently. It just locks up the X700 with a black screen.

I did some testing as I was trying to figure out what the X700 supports. You can see that here.
deadchip12 wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
What about non dolby vision movies, i.e. hdr10 movies? Do we need to the same thing? What if the file is not m2ts but remuxed mkv, will the hdr10 and dolby atmos still work on the x700?
The X700 should play back HDR10 from an mkv file, but I don't think Dolby Atmos is supported. It has been a complaint registered with Sony for years and I don't believe they've done anything to add Atmos support for mkv.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6019 Post by nekno » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:57 pm

Albano wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:43 pm
This is RPU info of file.
I want to convert this RPU from P5 to P8.1

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Yeah, I expected to see values for MaxFALL and MaxCLL and some incorrect values for the max/min display luminance.

That RPU isn't showing it there, but perhaps dovi_tool fixed it on extraction.

Maybe now try just converting that RPU.bin file to P8 with "mode: 3" and see if it works when re-injected.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6020 Post by nekno » Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:04 pm

mtotheb wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:07 pm
DTS-HD branding/license info is all over the packaging and info material for this stick. Also the DTS-HD source I used didn’t have the lossy core which might explain why DTS:X doesn’t play/bitstream but DTS-HD MA does.
Oh, nice. I missed that in the product info. It sounds like you've got it figured out and I'm not really helping. It's just odd that the soundbar would report DTS when DTS-HD is supported.

Maybe this has reached the limits of my knowledge of DTS-HD, but I thought all DTS-HD streams are formatted with a DTS lossy core and lossless extensions; that it's part of the file format. There's such a thing as DTS-HD without a DTS core?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6021 Post by deadchip12 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:47 am

nekno wrote:
Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:54 pm
deadchip12 wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
So I read that for the x700 to play dolby vision m2ts without issues we need to remux it to bluray folder structure and put it in the root folder.
If you want to play a DV P7 file that was originally ripped from a UHD BD, then yes, you want to remux back into BDMV format and put the folders at the root of a USB drive.

If you want to play a DV P8 file that was converted from P5 (streaming services) or P7 (UHD BD) then you want to remux the file into a single m2ts file and can place the file anywhere on a USB drive.

It's possible you can also remux DV P8 files into BDMV format in order to preserve chapters. I had this work a while back, but I haven't gotten it to work more recently. It just locks up the X700 with a black screen.

I did some testing as I was trying to figure out what the X700 supports. You can see that here.
deadchip12 wrote:
Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:28 pm
What about non dolby vision movies, i.e. hdr10 movies? Do we need to the same thing? What if the file is not m2ts but remuxed mkv, will the hdr10 and dolby atmos still work on the x700?
The X700 should play back HDR10 from an mkv file, but I don't think Dolby Atmos is supported. It has been a complaint registered with Sony for years and I don't believe they've done anything to add Atmos support for mkv.
Thanks for your reply. How do we know which one is DV P7 and which one is DV P8? As for mkv file, can't I just remux it to bmdv format and then the x700 will be able to play it with atmos?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6022 Post by KyleLeMarbe » Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:24 am

Created some powershell scripts to handle MKV to MP4 with dolby vision. Hoping others can get some value out of them.

https://github.com/KyleLeMarbe/DolbyVisionMuxer

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6023 Post by Ichisuke » Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:15 pm

I'm new here, sorry if I ask a question that maybe has already been answered, but I can't find a way to do what I want, so I'm probably not looking at the right styff...
I have a DV MP4 file working fine via USB on my LG oled. Point is I want to add another audio track/different language to it.
How do I do that? Which program can I use to remux the MP4 correctly with the added track...? :(

Thanks to anyone who can help me.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6024 Post by jayper » Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:33 pm

Ichisuke wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:15 pm
I'm new here, sorry if I ask a question that maybe has already been answered, but I can't find a way to do what I want, so I'm probably not looking at the right styff...
I have a DV MP4 file working fine via USB on my LG oled. Point is I want to add another audio track/different language to it.
How do I do that? Which program can I use to remux the MP4 correctly with the added track...? :(

Thanks to anyone who can help me.
It depends on what you want the resulting filetype to be. If you're looking for a ts, m2ts, ISO, Blu-ray folder you can use TS-Muxer.

If you're looking for an MKV, you should use ffmpeg to convert the mp4 to an mkv and then you can use MKVToolNix to multiplex the new audio track with the MKV you created with ffmpeg.

I move away from MP4s, so I can't recommend anything if you're looking to keep the file as an MP4. Others will need to weigh in.
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6025 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:15 pm

I agree with @jayper ... The easiest solution is txMuxer.
DV MP4 only gives me issues on my C8 internal player and Shield( stutter and audio hiccup).

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6026 Post by Ichisuke » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:15 pm
I agree with @jayper ... The easiest solution is txMuxer.
DV MP4 only gives me issues on my C8 internal player and Shield( stutter and audio hiccup).
jayper wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:33 pm
Ichisuke wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:15 pm
I'm new here, sorry if I ask a question that maybe has already been answered, but I can't find a way to do what I want, so I'm probably not looking at the right styff...
I have a DV MP4 file working fine via USB on my LG oled. Point is I want to add another audio track/different language to it.
How do I do that? Which program can I use to remux the MP4 correctly with the added track...? :(

Thanks to anyone who can help me.
It depends on what you want the resulting filetype to be. If you're looking for a ts, m2ts, ISO, Blu-ray folder you can use TS-Muxer.

If you're looking for an MKV, you should use ffmpeg to convert the mp4 to an mkv and then you can use MKVToolNix to multiplex the new audio track with the MKV you created with ffmpeg.

I move away from MP4s, so I can recommend anything if you're looking to keep the file as an MP4. Others will need to weigh in.
Tsmuxer (latest nightly version) won't open the MP4 file. Don't know why. As said the file is played perfectly fine on the LG. I thought that if I convert the file I'd lose the Dolby Vision? Will it retain the Dolby Vision track if I convert it to mkv with ffmpeg?

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6027 Post by RESET_9999 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:25 pm

Ichisuke wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm

Tsmuxer (latest nightly version) won't open the MP4 file. Don't know why. As said the file is played perfectly fine on the LG. I thought that if I convert the file I'd lose the Dolby Vision? Will it retain the Dolby Vision track if I convert it to mkv with ffmpeg?
yep, some mp4 wont work in tsmuxer but the solution is easy. Remux the mp4 to mkv with mkvtoolnix and then to TS with tsmuxer.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6028 Post by KyleLeMarbe » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:30 pm

Ichisuke wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm
RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:15 pm
I agree with @jayper ... The easiest solution is txMuxer.
DV MP4 only gives me issues on my C8 internal player and Shield( stutter and audio hiccup).
jayper wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:33 pm
Ichisuke wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:15 pm
I'm new here, sorry if I ask a question that maybe has already been answered, but I can't find a way to do what I want, so I'm probably not looking at the right styff...
I have a DV MP4 file working fine via USB on my LG oled. Point is I want to add another audio track/different language to it.
How do I do that? Which program can I use to remux the MP4 correctly with the added track...? :(

Thanks to anyone who can help me.
It depends on what you want the resulting filetype to be. If you're looking for a ts, m2ts, ISO, Blu-ray folder you can use TS-Muxer.

If you're looking for an MKV, you should use ffmpeg to convert the mp4 to an mkv and then you can use MKVToolNix to multiplex the new audio track with the MKV you created with ffmpeg.

I move away from MP4s, so I can recommend anything if you're looking to keep the file as an MP4. Others will need to weigh in.
Tsmuxer (latest nightly version) won't open the MP4 file. Don't know why. As said the file is played perfectly fine on the LG. I thought that if I convert the file I'd lose the Dolby Vision? Will it retain the Dolby Vision track if I convert it to mkv with ffmpeg?
Extracting the video stream with FFMpeg will preserve the dolby vision profile. MP4Muxer should be able to take multiple audio streams, but I have not tested that. I would extract the video file you want as well as any audio tracks and use MP4Muxer to put them back together. I have scripts in my signature that would be able to help. Would only need slight modification.

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6029 Post by staknhalo » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:07 pm

RESET_9999 wrote:
Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:15 pm
DV MP4 only gives me issues on my C8 internal player and Shield( stutter and audio hiccup).
this has been happening to me only as of the latest update as well, hopefully it's resolved with the next rollup update. I switched back to the SHIELD because the CCwGTV has stuttering too on DV (maybe mp4 only who knows) content with it's latest update

can't win

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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

#6030 Post by Albano » Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:19 pm

@RESET_9999
I just practiced remux WEB-DL P5 to Blu-ray on Arrival movies in my computer.
However, my remove frame result is a negative number, not a positive number like yours.
So what should I do next?

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