It's the same. P7 MEL is used for Blu-Ray disks and P8 is pretty much dead. Dolby Labs only recommend using P5 for streaming services. P8 is used only by MakeMKV members and Torrent users I guess. The community here collectively attempted to use the P5, but we lack the Dolby's proprietary tools for it. But we were able to come up with methods and create tools to reproduce a correct P8 videos, which is the same as P7 MEL. Pretty much credit goes to user yusescope. Has not shown any activity latelyjaimbo wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pmWhat are the benefits of profile 8.1 instead of profile 7 MEL?lexyz wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:13 amConvert to Profile 8.jaimbo wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:48 am Sony XG9505
Since the MEL includes dynamic metadata, it should also still be an improvement over just HDR10, but not quite as good as full FEL playback?
You will not lose that much with dropped FEL.
Possible, but it will be p5 with YCbCr colorspace and TV dovi decoder may expect ITP in p5. In this case colors will be very wrongSnickers333 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:23 pm Is it possible to take Bluray profile 7 DTDL and convert it into STSL profile 5 cause it seems that my LG CX is only capable of playing this instance of DV files.
Thank you so much![]()
Try Profile 8 at first.
Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
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mulucy
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lexyz
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Some dovi decoders don't work with P7 but work with P8.1jaimbo wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pm What are the benefits of profile 8.1 instead of profile 7 MEL?
P8.1 is almost equal to P7 only difference is VUI Chroma Sample Location value. For P7 it's always 2, for P8.1 can be 2 or 0.
That's why P8.1 is the best option to convert UHD BR P7
Sadly, not all devices capable to play P8.1. Like 2016-2018 Bravias.
Bravia XF90, Shield TV Pro'19, UBP-X700
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mulucy
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Fire TV 4k HDR devices and CCwGTV do support both profiles. The ladder even supports the FEL P7 too! Too bad both devices are limited to lossless audio. It does not bother me since I don't own a capable speaker system and receiver anyway.lexyz wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:46 amSome dovi decoders don't work with P7 but work with P8.1jaimbo wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pm What are the benefits of profile 8.1 instead of profile 7 MEL?
P8.1 is almost equal to P7 only difference is VUI Chroma Sample Location value. For P7 it's always 2, for P8.1 can be 2 or 0.
That's why P8.1 is the best option to convert UHD BR P7
Sadly, not all devices capable to play P8.1. Like 2016-2018 Bravias.
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Kocal
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I bought the sony x700 but i am disappointed with the subtitles.
It supports the ass format (SubStation Alpha), but the style doesn't change, as if using the srt format. Subtitles are too bright.
any alternative? I would like to get the chromecast, but i read that the refresh rate is fixed
It supports the ass format (SubStation Alpha), but the style doesn't change, as if using the srt format. Subtitles are too bright.
any alternative? I would like to get the chromecast, but i read that the refresh rate is fixed
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narcospablo123
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After wasting my whole day today, I wanted to learn what the maximum capability of my players were using dolby vision, here are the results! I hope this helps somebody reading to save them time. (These are all dvhe.07.06 BL + EL + RPU apart from the dual track dual layer ones )
These are the results I'm getting for a dolby vision movie on the Oppo 203:
ISO: Dolby vision and atmos
Blue ray Folder: Dolby vision and atmos
.mkv: HDR and atmos
original .m2ts file: HDR and atmos
.m2ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts dual track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.mp4 dual track dual layer (version 7 dvhe): vision and atmos
These are the results I'm getting on Nvidia shield Pro:
On plex:
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos (no pgs subtitles working AFAIK)
.mkv: dolby vision and atmos ( no pgs subtitles working)
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.m2ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.mp4 dual track dual layer: HDR atmos
On Kodi 19 for nerds:
.mkv dolby vision + atmos
.m2ts dual layer double track: HDR + atmos
.m2ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer dual track: HDR + atmos
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.mp4 dolby vision 7: dual track dual layer: HDR + atmos
In conclusion, I have no idea what common file to use to convert my dolby vision movies to. Ideally, I want them to be .mkv as it's just convenient but unfortunately the oppo 203 can't play it in dolby vision. Any ideas? thanks:)
These are the results I'm getting for a dolby vision movie on the Oppo 203:
ISO: Dolby vision and atmos
Blue ray Folder: Dolby vision and atmos
.mkv: HDR and atmos
original .m2ts file: HDR and atmos
.m2ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts dual track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.mp4 dual track dual layer (version 7 dvhe): vision and atmos
These are the results I'm getting on Nvidia shield Pro:
On plex:
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos (no pgs subtitles working AFAIK)
.mkv: dolby vision and atmos ( no pgs subtitles working)
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.m2ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.mp4 dual track dual layer: HDR atmos
On Kodi 19 for nerds:
.mkv dolby vision + atmos
.m2ts dual layer double track: HDR + atmos
.m2ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer dual track: HDR + atmos
.mp4 dvhe.05.06 single track BL+RPU : dolby vision + lossy atmos
.mp4 dolby vision 7: dual track dual layer: HDR + atmos
In conclusion, I have no idea what common file to use to convert my dolby vision movies to. Ideally, I want them to be .mkv as it's just convenient but unfortunately the oppo 203 can't play it in dolby vision. Any ideas? thanks:)
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bobbymkV
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Kind of surprised about the Kodi results. Why do you need both Plex and Kodi though?
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narcospablo123
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I ideally want kodi to run properly as I prefer to have my files on a HDD rather than set up a server. Also the problem with plex is that the PGS subtitles don't work have to find .srt subtitles.bobbymkV wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:02 pm Kind of surprised about the Kodi results. Why do you need both Plex and Kodi though?
Basically I want 1 file that works both for my shield and my oppo without having to mess around with them too much.
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bobbymkV
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I hear you about the one file to rule them all haha. Many of us are in the same boat as you. At least we are two people lucky enough to have an Oppo 203.narcospablo123 wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:59 pmI ideally want kodi to run properly as I prefer to have my files on a HDD rather than set up a server. Also the problem with plex is that the PGS subtitles don't work have to find .srt subtitles.bobbymkV wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:02 pm Kind of surprised about the Kodi results. Why do you need both Plex and Kodi though?
Basically I want 1 file that works both for my shield and my oppo without having to mess around with them too much.
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narcospablo123
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may someone help me please?
I'm trying to use yusescope's tool on a macbook with windows parallel and it comes up with this error?
'\\Mac\Home\Desktop\yusesope_tool_v0.0.4_alfa_initial_release'
CMD.EXE was started with the above path as the current directory.
UNC paths are not supported. Defaulting to Windows directory.
C:\Windows>python-3.7.6.amd64\python.exe src\app.py -demux
The system cannot find the path specified.
C:\Windows>pause
Press any key to continue . . .
I'm a total noob with pc stuff and code etc, can someone tell me in simplistic terms how to solve this? thanks:D
@bobby yeah the oppo is amazing love it.
I'm trying to use yusescope's tool on a macbook with windows parallel and it comes up with this error?
'\\Mac\Home\Desktop\yusesope_tool_v0.0.4_alfa_initial_release'
CMD.EXE was started with the above path as the current directory.
UNC paths are not supported. Defaulting to Windows directory.
C:\Windows>python-3.7.6.amd64\python.exe src\app.py -demux
The system cannot find the path specified.
C:\Windows>pause
Press any key to continue . . .
I'm a total noob with pc stuff and code etc, can someone tell me in simplistic terms how to solve this? thanks:D
@bobby yeah the oppo is amazing love it.
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s8c blog
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.
Hi, what tv do you have?narcospablo123 wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:14 am After wasting my whole day today, I wanted to learn what the maximum capability of my players were using dolby vision, here are the results! I hope this helps somebody reading to save them time. (These are all dvhe.07.06 BL + EL + RPU apart from the dual track dual layer ones )
These are the results I'm getting for a dolby vision movie on the Oppo 203:
ISO: Dolby vision and atmos
Blue ray Folder: Dolby vision and atmos
.mkv: HDR and atmos
original .m2ts file: HDR and atmos
.m2ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts dual track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos
These are the results I'm getting on Nvidia shield Pro:
On plex:
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos (no pgs subtitles working AFAIK)
.mkv: dolby vision and atmos ( no pgs subtitles working)
On Kodi 19 for nerds:
.mkv dolby vision + atmos
.m2ts dual layer double track: HDR + atmos
.m2ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer single track: HDR + atmos
.ts dual layer dual track: HDR + atmos
In conclusion, I have no idea what common file to use to convert my dolby vision movies to. Ideally, I want them to be .mkv as it's just convenient but unfortunately the oppo 203 can't play it in dolby vision. Any ideas? thanks:)
I have red nvidia shield can't play FEL part of dolby vision video track because SDK limitations or something similiar...do you know anything about this?
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MrHobbles
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I use MKV on Plex on my 2019 Shield Pro and it works well, but I sometimes find it takes 2-5 attempts to start the film before DV triggers and not HDR. Has that been your experience?narcospablo123 wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:14 am These are the results I'm getting on Nvidia shield Pro:
On plex:
.ts single track dual layer: dolby vision and atmos (no pgs subtitles working AFAIK)
.mkv: dolby vision and atmos ( no pgs subtitles working)
I also find that it takes a little longer to start the film if it's DV - it sits at the spinner for a few seconds. HDR films are pretty much instantaneous.
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narcospablo123
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I have LG E9
Hi, what tv do you have?
I have red nvidia shield can't play FEL part of dolby vision video track because SDK limitations or something similiar...do you know anything about this?
I'm not sure what error you're experiencing.
What file are you using and what device are you using?
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s8c blog
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Hi, sorry I haven't been clear: I have not a shild tv pro, I asked in a few forums about dolby vision media players and I have asked about zidoo z9x or nvidia shield tv pro recently and some guys told me z9x and nvidia shield tv pro can't reprodure completely Dolby Vision dual track.
I have not detailed links to link here, I can give you this and maybe you can go deeply with some brower serches...
I try to sintethyze: I have heard nvidia shield tv pro can't reproduce completely dolby vision dual tracks from uhd bd because of some limitations...
I'm italian and I have a little trouble to explain clearly about this techical stuff in english, sorry... the main words you coul search are " FEL full enanchment layer" or (BL+EL+RPU) ... sorry but I just wanted to try to help you.
I have not detailed links to link here, I can give you this and maybe you can go deeply with some brower serches...
I try to sintethyze: I have heard nvidia shield tv pro can't reproduce completely dolby vision dual tracks from uhd bd because of some limitations...
I'm italian and I have a little trouble to explain clearly about this techical stuff in english, sorry... the main words you coul search are " FEL full enanchment layer" or (BL+EL+RPU) ... sorry but I just wanted to try to help you.
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shawnc22
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What you've researched is correct, neither the zidoo or shield can fully reproduce dual layer DV if it's an FEL title. They lack the secondary video decoder needed to decode the enhancement layer.s8c blog wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:53 pm Hi, sorry I haven't been clear: I have not a shild tv pro, I asked in a few forums about dolby vision media players and I have asked about zidoo z9x or nvidia shield tv pro recently and some guys told me z9x and nvidia shield tv pro can't reprodure completely Dolby Vision dual track.
I have not detailed links to link here, I can give you this and maybe you can go deeply with some brower serches...
I try to sintethyze: I have heard nvidia shield tv pro can't reproduce completely dolby vision dual tracks from uhd bd because of some limitations...
I'm italian and I have a little trouble to explain clearly about this techical stuff in english, sorry... the main words you coul search are " FEL full enanchment layer" or (BL+EL+RPU) ... sorry but I just wanted to try to help you.
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s8c blog
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ok thanks.... Oppo or Oppo clones apart do you know which device can reproduce full dual layer DV?shawnc22 wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:38 pmWhat you've researched is correct, neither the zidoo or shield can fully reproduce dual layer DV if it's an FEL title. They lack the secondary video decoder needed to decode the enhancement layer.s8c blog wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:53 pm Hi, sorry I haven't been clear: I have not a shild tv pro, I asked in a few forums about dolby vision media players and I have asked about zidoo z9x or nvidia shield tv pro recently and some guys told me z9x and nvidia shield tv pro can't reprodure completely Dolby Vision dual track.
I have not detailed links to link here, I can give you this and maybe you can go deeply with some brower serches...
I try to sintethyze: I have heard nvidia shield tv pro can't reproduce completely dolby vision dual tracks from uhd bd because of some limitations...
I'm italian and I have a little trouble to explain clearly about this techical stuff in english, sorry... the main words you coul search are " FEL full enanchment layer" or (BL+EL+RPU) ... sorry but I just wanted to try to help you.
I know about Plex media server for LG tvs before CX...unfortunately I have a CX and so I can't reproduce it