Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[mattmarsden]

Yep, you have to turn off DV in order to get 12 or 10 bits in HDR10 otherwise you're stuck in 8bit for everything. that sucks!!

I've compared DV with my x700 and it looks pretty much the same to me. My DSLR camera captured a small difference that I didn't notice in real life. MUCH better than the Shield for sure!!!

x700 fel vs ugoos fel:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/12063
ugoos mel vs shield mel:https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/12064

That's good news at least; thanks for the extensive testing.

With DV off, are you getting the correct colours now for the SDR/HDR10 test patterns? If so, it's something that should be easy for Ugoos to fix as bobby mentioned (match content colourspace with DV on).

I get round this problem by converting everything to DV, it does a very good job converting SDR and HDR.

[mattmarsden]

Of course if we could get a COREelec DV build that would also mitigate this issue.

[DennisTheMenace]

Any difference between Ugoos and Minix in terms of DV format support? Which one would you
recommend,?

Funnily enough I found the Minix loaded with the Ugoos 4.0 firmware to perform slightly better than the Ugoos when using Kodi in terms of stuttering after seeking. I've also found that running the DV mkv through mkvtoolnix after being created in MakeMKV makes it perform in terms of stuttering in Kodi. Hopefully of course all of these issues will be sorted in Kodi. So at the moment my recommendation is to get the Minix and load the Ugoos firmware on it!

When using the minix, after I stop the Dolby vision movie and the Kodi gui shows up I see what looks like another refresh rate change. Also the same when I exit Kodi and go back to the android interface. Do you experience that?

Same problem here everything is buggy, sometimes I have to start a Dolby Vision mkv 3 or 4 times before it works correctly

[Manixx2020beyound]

Ok after a pretty good review of the ugoos so far, ordering mines today, just to have as a backup for the Sony x700fel playback.

Did u guys see Snyder Z, if u have 4hours to spare great remake
But dam all that millions spent twice on the same movie but it is well done this time
Are we really soposed to watch this movie with black bars on the side??

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Ok after a pretty good review of the ugoos so far, ordering mines today, just to have as a backup for the Sony x700fel playback.

Great, can't wait for the shogun comparisons.

With DV off, are you getting the correct colours now for the SDR/HDR10 test patterns? If so, it's something that should be easy for Ugoos to fix as bobby mentioned (match content colourspace with DV on).

I will check this out tonight.

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Did u guys see Snyder Z, if u have 4hours to spare great remake
But dam all that millions spent twice on the same movie but it is well done this time
Are we really soposed to watch this movie with black bars on the side??

damn 4:3
and they graded it darker ...

justice league original:
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 1016 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 342 cd/m2

justice league snyder version:
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 597 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 122 cd/m2

[Manixx2020beyound]

No it wasn’t graded darker that is my test file png @1000 nit
Not sure where that meta came from lol

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No it wasn’t graded darker that is my test file @1000 nit
Not sure where that meta came from lol

mmm, so you are getting different metadata from the HBO stream...
very strange, the metadata i posted is from the WEB-DL

[shawnc22]

No it wasn’t graded darker that is my test file @1000 nit
Not sure where that meta came from lol

mmm, so you are getting different metadata from the HBO stream...
very strange, the metadata i posted is from the WEB-DL

The HBO stream is in DV. Guessing the scene releases can’t properly capture DV from HBO yet.

[RESET_9999]

The HBO stream is in DV. Guessing the scene releases can’t properly capture DV from HBO yet.

there are two HDR HBO stream: DV and HDR10. the scene can web-dl DV and HDR10, they both use the same Widevine L1 protection.

HDR10 web-dl:

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Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5@Main
HDR format : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 4 h 2 min
Bit rate : 17.5 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.088
Stream size : 29.6 GiB (94%)
Writing library : x265 3.4hy:[Linux][GCC 7.5.0][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=1 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / no-aud / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=96 / keyint=96 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=3 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=0 / rc=abr / bitrate=18000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=24500 / vbv-bufsize=24500 / vbv-init=0.6 / vbv-end=0.6 / vbv-end-fr-adj=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=0 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=9 / transfer=16 / colormatrix=9 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / master-display=G(13250,34500)B(7500,3000)R(34000,16000)WP(15635,16450)L(10000000,1) / cll=597,122 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / no-concatenation / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : PQ
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : Display P3
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 597 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 122 cd/m2

Audio
ID : 2
Format : E-AC-3 JOC
Format/Info : Enhanced AC-3 with Joint Object Coding
Commercial name : Dolby Digital Plus with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : A_EAC3
Duration : 4 h 2 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.30 GiB (4%)
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Complexity index : 16
Number of dynamic objects : 15
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE

Dolby Vision WEB-DL:

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Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5@Main
HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.05.06, BL+RPU
Codec ID : dvhe
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding with Dolby Vision
Duration : 4 h 2 min
Bit rate : 18.0 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.090
Stream size : 30.4 GiB (96%)
Writing library : x265 3.4hy:[Linux][GCC 7.5.0][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=1 / no-wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / input-csp=1 / input-res=3840x2160 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=4 / no-allow-non-conformance / repeat-headers / annexb / aud / hrd / info / hash=0 / no-temporal-layers / no-open-gop / min-keyint=96 / keyint=96 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=4 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=25 / lookahead-slices=4 / scenecut=40 / hist-scenecut=0 / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=1 / tu-intra-depth=1 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=3 / limit-refs=3 / limit-modes / me=3 / subme=3 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / no-weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=0:0 / sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=4 / no-early-skip / rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / no-b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=1.00 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=0 / crqpoffs=3 / rc=abr / bitrate=18000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=2 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv-maxrate=24500 / vbv-bufsize=24500 / vbv-init=0.6 / vbv-end=0.6 / vbv-end-fr-adj=0.0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=2 / aq-strength=1.00 / cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=1 / colorprim=2 / transfer=2 / colormatrix=2 / chromaloc=0 / display-window=0 / cll=0,0 / min-luma=0 / max-luma=1023 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / no-concatenation / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / hist-threshold=0.01 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / no-hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / no-scenecut-aware-qpconformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1
Encoded date : UTC 2021-03-18 14:44:14
Tagged date : UTC 2021-03-18 15:38:19
Color range : Full
Codec configuration box : hvcC+dvcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : E-AC-3 JOC
Format/Info : Enhanced AC-3 with Joint Object Coding
Commercial name : Dolby Digital Plus with Dolby Atmos
Codec ID : ec-3
Duration : 4 h 2 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 811 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.30 GiB (4%)
Title : English
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Encoded date : UTC 2021-03-18 15:38:05
Tagged date : UTC 2021-03-18 15:38:19
Complexity index : Not present / 16
Number of dynamic objects : 15
Bed channel count : 1 channel
Bed channel configuration : LFE

[quietvoid]

The Dolby Vision RPU also contains the same ST2086 HDR10 metadata inside.
So where is the 4000 from

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The Dolby Vision RPU also contains the same ST2086 HDR10 metadata inside.
So where is the 4000 from

yep that's right, when I turn off DV on my x700 and play a profile 5 file, I get HDR10 playback with the metadata from the RPU which corresponds to the HDR10 counterpart. I will try justice league on my x700 tonight.

The metadata posted by manix are the one from the HDR10 stream on HBO..
it's not a DV to HDR10 conversion.

maybe the web-dl are fake ? notice how the HDR10 version is encoded with wrong Chroma subsampling type 1 instead of type 2
you cant really fake a DV release though... maybe other streaming platforms? this is a mystery

[quietvoid]

Doesn't seem to be a different service, but maybe they do have multiple versions for different displays.
600 nits, 1000 nits, etc. are all possible targets for Dolby Vision.

That would explain how the MaxCLL is very close to the target..

[Manixx2020beyound]

The Dolby Vision RPU also contains the same ST2086 HDR10 metadata inside.
So where is the 4000 from

yep that's right, when I turn off DV on my x700 and play a profile 5 file, I get HDR10 playback with the metadata from the RPU which corresponds to the HDR10 counterpart. I will try justice league on my x700 tonight.

The metadata posted by manix are the one from the HDR10 stream on HBO..
it's not a DV to HDR10 conversion.

maybe the web-dl are fake ? notice how the HDR10 version is encoded with wrong Chroma subsampling type 1 instead of type 2
you cant really fake a DV release though... maybe other streaming platforms? this is a mystery

Right now in hdr mode it plays in funky colors bt2020
Yes web dl meta was correct just triple checked after getting hdr version.

[RESET_9999]

Doesn't seem to be a different service, but maybe they do have multiple versions for different displays.
600 nits, 1000 nits, etc. are all possible targets for Dolby Vision.

That would explain how the MaxCLL is very close to the target..

Yes, that's possible and totally makes sense but I think it's from different streaming websites. It's available on Itunes India.

I know that most of the disney+ web-dl are actually from Hotstar India and not from Disney+ America.
The bitrate/metadata and quality are not the same (also theres no mediainfo x265 encoding settings visible on disney+ web-dl):
Disney+ stream is at 16mb/s and Hotstar 20mb/s but Disney plus is still in slightly higher quality: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/12072