Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[hepe9]

He has the HDfury Vertex which can tell if it's lldv or tv-led DV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_a77zJTrO4

Ok thanks, well as far as I know, LLDV if it's well made doesn't have to be worst than TV-LED.

The quality I observe in FEL files playback is really good, but I don't have any reference to compare with.

Watch the youtube video I posted. LLDV is confirmed to be worse quality than TV-LED DV. And all the players have the same DV SDK engine, therefore they are all affected by that.
Stacey Spears goes even further and says that LLDV is worse than HDR10.

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

[RESET_9999]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

[shawnc22]

I tried the new Ugoos 0.40 fw mod on Minix and from now on just use Plex, DV playback is perfect from STDL MEL/FEL ts, mp4 and mkv too.

Can you give this sample from saving private ryan a try and see if you notice any flickering throughout?

https://mega.nz/file/ECAA0DwZ#K8yxC-GMU ... coHzQk-6YQ

[HarperVision]

Ok thanks, well as far as I know, LLDV if it's well made doesn't have to be worst than TV-LED.

The quality I observe in FEL files playback is really good, but I don't have any reference to compare with.

Watch the youtube video I posted. LLDV is confirmed to be worse quality than TV-LED DV. And all the players have the same DV SDK engine, therefore they are all affected by that.
Stacey Spears goes even further and says that LLDV is worse than HDR10.

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

It isn’t LLDV nor Dolby Vision that suck. It is the Oppo. It has a chroma bug that most likely is related to the same well known one that reduces BT2020 colors to Rec709 when tone mapping HDR to SDR, which in my humble opinion is absolutely ludicrous.

Both Vincent and Stacey are wrong. Their testing is flawed and they’re passing this misinformation across the web. They didn’t bother to to test with a different UHD Bluray player. I did with comparisons between the Oppo 203, Panasonic UB820, Sony X700 and Sony X800M2, in which the X800M2 performed best in the end and had no such color issues.

I reported this a long time ago. I am the one to discover the LLDV/Dolby Vision trick to play DV on HDR10 only devices. I’ve been extensively testing and experimenting for nearly two years on a nightly basis. Early on when I was doing these tests I was wondering why the Oppo looked so pale in comparison. The Sony was clearly the best. The AppleTV also does an amazing job with DolbyVision/LLDV.

[Manixx2020beyound]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Same here on my end, but hdr10 saturation on blacks being crushed / static meta is the only problem on hdr10.
Some movies do look better in hdr10 even in static mata

But hdr10 to LLDV improves that, in theory

I guess baced on what he shoots with camera hdr, is minimized by the dv bd authoring process.
The decoded
LLDV capture does not go true the same 2nd dv processing when received by capturing Monitor so the LLDV picture is not double processed 1st internally & then when the same LLDV signal hits your tv.

I guess if movies wore shot in DV instead of hdr10 12 to 18 stops of dynamic range.

Dv is just lighting on top a hdr image regulated by the Rpu, from a raw 12/16bit tiff.
What if the image had the correct uncrushed blacks to begin with ??
The process is kind of flawed dv was ment to improve hdr10
Why didn’t they just improve hdr10 specifically on its own.
It’s like upscaling data that’s already flawed
Some will look better & some will look worse that the results we all been getting to some degree.

I can’t speak on the oppo
But most of my devices I tested LLDV / rgb8DV looks identical or close to the same.
Not that huge variance we saw on Vincent video.
Apple TV LLDV colors are slightly off (depending on firmware your on)
Compared to the shield tv. Profile 5 movies

I would like to do a wonder vision ep9 test LLDV
Apple TV , shield tv, dune vision ,x700,google chrome cast,Amazon fire stick.

X700 & dune vision will be using the real web.dl
All 4 other devices will be streaming from Disney.
A DV rgb8 screenshot would look nice as well. @reset9999

If the ugoos works really well I may get that & the minix for testing.
But I’ll wait til other folks report on playback

[RESET_9999]

I would like to do a WandaVision ep9 test LLDV
Apple TV , shield tv, dune vision ,x700,google chrome cast,Amazon fire stick.

+1

[dysprosium]

I tried the new Ugoos 0.40 fw mod on Minix and from now on just use Plex, DV playback is perfect from STDL MEL/FEL ts, mp4 and mkv too.

Can you give this sample from saving private ryan a try and see if you notice any flickering throughout?

https://mega.nz/file/ECAA0DwZ#K8yxC-GMU ... coHzQk-6YQ

ragico has tested Saving Private Ryan already on the Ugoos AM6 Plus (fw 0.4); I assume the result is the same on the Minix Neo U22-XJ on the same firmware.

[shawnc22]

It isn’t LLDV nor Dolby Vision that suck. It is the Oppo. It has a chroma bug that most likely is related to the same well known one that reduces BT2020 colors to Rec709 when tone mapping HDR to SDR, which in my humble opinion is absolutely ludicrous.

Both Vincent and Stacey are wrong. Their testing is flawed and they’re passing this misinformation across the web. They didn’t bother to to test with a different UHD Bluray player. I did with comparisons between the Oppo 203, Panasonic UB820, Sony X700 and Sony X800M2, in which the X800M2 performed best in the end and had no such color issues.

I reported this a long time ago. I am the one to discover the LLDV/Dolby Vision trick to play DV on HDR10 only devices. I’ve been extensively testing and experimenting for nearly two years on a nightly basis. Early on when I was doing these tests I was wondering why the Oppo looked so pale in comparison. The Sony was clearly the best. The AppleTV also does an amazing job with DolbyVision/LLDV.

Why not join in on the conversion they're currently having over there on the blu-ray forums if you think Stacey's methodologies are off? It's all a little over my head, but it sounds like a worthwhile discussion if you've been testing nightly for the last two years.

[HarperVision]

It isn’t LLDV nor Dolby Vision that suck. It is the Oppo. It has a chroma bug that most likely is related to the same well known one that reduces BT2020 colors to Rec709 when tone mapping HDR to SDR, which in my humble opinion is absolutely ludicrous.

Both Vincent and Stacey are wrong. Their testing is flawed and they’re passing this misinformation across the web. They didn’t bother to to test with a different UHD Bluray player. I did with comparisons between the Oppo 203, Panasonic UB820, Sony X700 and Sony X800M2, in which the X800M2 performed best in the end and had no such color issues.

I reported this a long time ago. I am the one to discover the LLDV/Dolby Vision trick to play DV on HDR10 only devices. I’ve been extensively testing and experimenting for nearly two years on a nightly basis. Early on when I was doing these tests I was wondering why the Oppo looked so pale in comparison. The Sony was clearly the best. The AppleTV also does an amazing job with DolbyVision/LLDV.

Why not join in on the conversion they're currently having over there on the blu-ray forums if you think Stacey's methodologies are off? It's all a little over my head, but it sounds like a worthwhile discussion if you've been testing nightly for the last two years.

I may just do that, but I hesitate to join yet another forum, especially given the state of them in recent years. They’re mimicking real life and social media with lots of strong egos and keyboard warriors. Way too much “if you don’t think what we think, then you’re a heretic and should be mocked, ridiculed and banned” going on for my tastes lately. I find not participating as I did a few years ago due to being banned at AVS for these very reasons, that I’ve been much happier and less stressed. Who wouldn’t want that?

I just sit back and enjoy my creations myself now. It’s not worth sharing with anyone who doesn’t give back the same respect I give in sharing my hard work and effort.

So I don’t know. Maybe. I’ll see if it’s worth my time arguing with arrogant, closed minded narcissists or not and go from there.

I remember when this stuff used to be fun....

[XTrojan]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

[DaMacFunkin]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Wow, that is quite the request that someone buys all 3 machines and a reference grade camera or capture device just to provide a few screen shots.
Is there a particular brand of TV you would like this test performing on?

[XTrojan]

So much words being thrown left and right, can't someone just test Sony X800M2, Ugoos and Minix with DV FEL and then post a few pictures to see the differences (if there are any) ?

Wow, that is quite the request that someone buys all 3 machines and a reference grade camera or capture device just to provide a few screen shots.
Is there a particular brand of TV you would like this test performing on?

Most of the thread has derailed into discussions about Chroma tinting, LLDV vs Vanilla DV among other things, but with posts left and right leading to speculations. Maybe it's time to put it to the test to make it clear?
I would be willing to contribute, but I only have a Nvidia Shield Pro and a LG CX if that matters.

[hepe9]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

[Manixx2020beyound]

Very interesting post, but Stacey Spears doesn't say LLDV is worse than HDR, at least in that post.

You who have the x700 and make good captures and comparisons can prove it, and maybe you are right

Edit: I found a post from a few days ago from Stacey Spears where he says that DV sucks in BD and that HDR is better

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

There is no way that HDR10 would look better than LLDV which is much closer to or = to dv rgb8.
That would not make sense.
LLDV image is always brighter,sharper & cleaner than a hdr10 image.
We can do a bunch of hdr10/LLDV comparisons, to prove that.
98% of LLDV test captures always looks better than the HDR10.

[hepe9]

Interesting! I guess he came to that conclusion after testing the new DV pattern from his upcoming Spears and Munsil UHD bluray disc.
I don't really know about chroma upsampling nor ringing and I never really compared with LLDV but AFAIK, TV-LED DV on my setup (x700 + C8) looks much better and brighter than static HDR10 (better shadow details and more pop).
I will definitely check out the new DV test pattern when the disc is out.

some DV vs HDR10 examples made with my camera...
Spears and munsil: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10593
WandaVision: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11817
Sonic: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=2605
pitch black: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/11797
little things: https://screenshotcomparison.com/compar ... p?id=10640
WW: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=9412

Thanks for the comparative, but I was saying a comparison HDR vs LLDV, to see if HDR is better than LLDV

There is no way that HDR10 would look better than LLDV which is much closer to or = to dv rgb8.
That would not make sense.
LLDV image is always brighter,sharper & cleaner than a hdr10 image.
We can do a bunch of hdr10/LLDV comparisons, to prove that.
98% of LLDV test captures always looks better than the HDR10.

Thanks for the answer, I said that because @RESET_9999 said it.