Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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yossSP
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by yossSP »

shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:43 am
daicon wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:45 pm
XTrojan wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:46 pm
Anyone know if the new Google ChromeCast (4th generation) can playback DV BluRays formats with full support FEL etc?
Here say that work DV FEL:
https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/nuevo-c ... -mel.3588/

Any try?
is true?
I'm skeptical. Even if it's capable of playing FEL, I suspect that it's just ignoring the EL like what the Shield is doing. I highly doubt that the Chromecast has the dual decoders needed to properly playback FEL.
Hi all, I have made the test with the new Chromecast with Google TV (CCWGTV)
Test platform:
  • TV OLED Panasonic TX-65HZ1000
  • Emby/Plex beta MediaServer on Windows 10 Pro 64 bits
  • Chromecast with Google TV (2020)
The results:
  • test DT DL FEL: playback as HDR10 (CCWGTV can't play dual track DV)
  • test SL p8 RPU: playback as HDR10 (without noise)
  • test ST DL FEL: playback as DV with noise during 5 seconds
test ST DL FEL
Image
https://ibb.co/p4mQSgr
test SL p8 RPU
Image
https://ibb.co/rbCXb8V

Latest Emby beta can't play the file as DV it plays as HDR10, but I can do it with latest Plex beta, but only during 5 seconds, rendering the noise of the FEL layer as the picture shows .
After this 5 seconds Plex stops the playback and shows an error saying something like there isn't enought power to decode the file. I receive this error when Plex can't play a file without transcoding because I disable transcoding in Plex, but it never has ben shown in the middle of a playback, it always show before rendering.

Well, after the last firmware update on february this little device never ceases to amaze me.

Also I can play with latest Plex beta FEL files of 90Mb/s without issues.

So, after these results, can we say that this device fully supports FEL media?
Last edited by yossSP on Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:18 pm, edited 2 times in total.
staknhalo
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by staknhalo »

Is there a trick to enabling HDR10 base layer on a DV P8.1 file? When I make one, the DV metadata/part is enabled/plays fine, but when I disable DV, the HDR10 base layer is there (obvious, I muxed it in) but it's not playing in HDR10 - there are no highlights at all. Everything is muted like 10-bit color data is there, but highlight/brightness part metadata removed. Mediainfo shows DV P8-1 with HDR10 BL/HDR10 compatibility though.

'mp4muxer --dv-profile 8 --dv-bl-compatible-id 1 --input-file Video.hevc --input-file Audio.aac --media-lang eng --output-file FILENAME.mp4'

'--dv-bl-compatible-id 1' - is for the HDR10 BL, '--dv-bl-compatible-id 2' would be for an SDR layer, am I missing some more mux commands I needed?
Ride_UL
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by Ride_UL »

So.. i started using .m2ts container instead of .ts (via TSMuxer) and now PGS Subtitles are working just fine with MrMC :D
shawnc22
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by shawnc22 »

yossSP wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:14 am
shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:43 am
daicon wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:45 pm


Here say that work DV FEL:
https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/nuevo-c ... -mel.3588/

Any try?
is true?
I'm skeptical. Even if it's capable of playing FEL, I suspect that it's just ignoring the EL like what the Shield is doing. I highly doubt that the Chromecast has the dual decoders needed to properly playback FEL.
Hi all, I have made the test with the new Chromecast with Google TV (CCWGTV)
Test platform:
  • TV OLED Panasonic TX-65HZ1000
  • Emby/Plex beta MediaServer on Windows 10 Pro 64 bits
  • Chromecast with Google TV (2020)
The results:
  • test DT DL FEL: playback as HDR10 (CCWGTV can't play dual track DV)
  • test SL p8 RPU: playback as HDR10 (without noise)
  • test ST DL FEL: playback as DV with noise during 5 seconds
test ST DL FEL
Image
https://ibb.co/p4mQSgr
test SL p8 RPU
Image
https://ibb.co/rbCXb8V

Latest Emby beta can't play the file as DV it plays as HDR10, but I can do it with latest Plex beta, but only during 5 seconds, rendering the noise of the FEL layer as the picture shows .
After this 5 seconds Plex stops the playback and shows an error saying something like there isn't enought power to decode the file. I receive this error when Plex can't play a file without transcoding because I disable transcoding in Plex, but it never has ben shown in the middle of a playback, it always show before rendering.

Well, after the last firmware update on february this little device never ceases to amaze me.

Also I can play with latest Plex beta FEL files of 90Mb/s without issues.

So, after these results, can we say that this device fully supports FEL media?
Wow, that is definitely a pleasant surprise. Are you saying that with the latest firmware update, you can still only play the first 5 seconds with Plex beta? Is it maybe trying to transcode because you selected one of the lossless audio tracks? Not supporting lossless audio is still a bit of a deal breaker for me, but it definitely shows promise for future devices.
galarond
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by galarond »

So, taking note of Venom, i ripped the disc and used mp4muxer with profile 7, the movie stops at 40 mins or so with the message the tv is out of memory so, anybody know if there r some working alternatives to this? i tried muxing the same movie with profile 5 and it doesnt play on the internal player of the tv, theres any other option/profile or something given the out of memory message on my tv?

Forgot Lg oled B6

Only 6 movies out of 20 i muxed worked fine

Hobbit perfect
Lotr stops at 40 mins
Etc.

I saw the fel to mel process and thats beyond the size of my brain so maybe something like convert to DV 1 layer but in mp4? no idea how that works either.
RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 »

indeed, very surprising to see a streaming device supporting FEL.
Now I wonder which Chromecast Manix tested a while ago because the colors were slightly more saturated (no red spot and better than the shield though). Unfortunately, Manix vanished since he told me that he received his Dune UHD a week ago. :(
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
daicon
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by daicon »

RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:17 pm
indeed, very surprising to see a streaming device supporting FEL.
Now I wonder which Chromecast Manix tested a while ago because the colors were slightly more saturated (no red spot and better than the shield though). Unfortunately, Manix vanished since he told me that he received his Dune UHD a week ago. :(
we do not know if the tests were done with the last generation of Chromecast?
RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 »

daicon wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:10 pm

we do not know if the tests were done with the last generation of Chromecast?
probably not the latest generation indeed... I wish @Manix(the guy with the Atomos shogun device) could confirm but he won't respond to me anymore, he's gone (probably personal issues) ...
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
knuffi123
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by knuffi123 »

Hi, I think about getting a Sony x700 and just wanted to make sure if I understand correctly, that the x700 is able to play DV P8 dual layer m2ts/ts fine? Is this independent from MEL and FEL? So no issues with FEL?

Thank you!
RESET_9999
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by RESET_9999 »

knuffi123 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:09 pm
Hi, I think about getting a Sony x700 and just wanted to make sure if I understand correctly, that the x700 is able to play DV P8 dual layer m2ts/ts fine? Is this independent from MEL and FEL? So no issues with FEL?

Thank you!
the x700 can play all the DV profiles. So, yes it supports MEL / FEL-DV+ lossless audio TS/M2TS rip. I watched tons of DV movies and I never had a playback issue.
Just remux your UHD-BD with tsMuxer and you're good to go.
Please forgive my English.
Sony x700 ----> Denon AVR ----> LG OLED C8
FIX the x700 DT-DL TS bug with this file
dysprosium
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by dysprosium »

yossSP wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:14 am
shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:43 am
daicon wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:45 pm


Here say that work DV FEL:
https://www.avpasion.com/foro/t/nuevo-c ... -mel.3588/

Any try?
is true?
I'm skeptical. Even if it's capable of playing FEL, I suspect that it's just ignoring the EL like what the Shield is doing. I highly doubt that the Chromecast has the dual decoders needed to properly playback FEL.
Hi all, I have made the test with the new Chromecast with Google TV (CCWGTV)
Test platform:
  • TV OLED Panasonic TX-65HZ1000
  • Emby/Plex beta MediaServer on Windows 10 Pro 64 bits
  • Chromecast with Google TV (2020)
The results:
  • test DT DL FEL: playback as HDR10 (CCWGTV can't play dual track DV)
  • test SL p8 RPU: playback as HDR10 (without noise)
  • test ST DL FEL: playback as DV with noise during 5 seconds
What's interesting about this is the Chromecast with Google TV is running on a S905D3G chipset, which is very similar to the S905X2/S905X3 etc. that many Android TV boxes out there use. If this chipset can properly decode FEL in STDL mkv, it perhaps means that any of those boxes (hopefully one with lossless audio passthrough) can be similarly capable with a firmware update - perhaps even CoreELEC, now that we know it's possible on these Amlogic chipsets?
chros
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by chros »

Can we playback single layer DV (profile 5) mkv (!) with Firestick4k? If so, how? Thanks
yossSP
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by yossSP »

shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:05 pm
yossSP wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:14 am
shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:43 am

I'm skeptical. Even if it's capable of playing FEL, I suspect that it's just ignoring the EL like what the Shield is doing. I highly doubt that the Chromecast has the dual decoders needed to properly playback FEL.
Hi all, I have made the test with the new Chromecast with Google TV (CCWGTV)
Test platform:
  • TV OLED Panasonic TX-65HZ1000
  • Emby/Plex beta MediaServer on Windows 10 Pro 64 bits
  • Chromecast with Google TV (2020)
The results:
  • test DT DL FEL: playback as HDR10 (CCWGTV can't play dual track DV)
  • test SL p8 RPU: playback as HDR10 (without noise)
  • test ST DL FEL: playback as DV with noise during 5 seconds
test ST DL FEL
https://ibb.co/p4mQSgr
test SL p8 RPU
https://ibb.co/rbCXb8V

Latest Emby beta can't play the file as DV it plays as HDR10, but I can do it with latest Plex beta, but only during 5 seconds, rendering the noise of the FEL layer as the picture shows .
After this 5 seconds Plex stops the playback and shows an error saying something like there isn't enought power to decode the file. I receive this error when Plex can't play a file without transcoding because I disable transcoding in Plex, but it never has ben shown in the middle of a playback, it always show before rendering.

Well, after the last firmware update on february this little device never ceases to amaze me.

Also I can play with latest Plex beta FEL files of 90Mb/s without issues.

So, after these results, can we say that this device fully supports FEL media?
Wow, that is definitely a pleasant surprise. Are you saying that with the latest firmware update, you can still only play the first 5 seconds with Plex beta? Is it maybe trying to transcode because you selected one of the lossless audio tracks? Not supporting lossless audio is still a bit of a deal breaker for me, but it definitely shows promise for future devices.

Yes, Plex plays 5 seconds then stops with an error. I think ist' because of this particular file, I have played several DV files of every profile in Plex and it plays fine from begin to end.

Regarding audio, the Chromecast with Google TV supports:
  • Dolby Digital
  • Dolby Digital Plus
  • Dolby digital Plus + Dolby Atmos
  • DTS
  • Passthrough of DTS Core 5.1 inside DTS-HD
  • AAC
  • PCM
And doesn't support:
[*]Dolby TrueHD
[*]Dolby TrueHD + Dolby Atmos
[*]DTS-X

At the moment, in my country there is almost no Atmos/DTS-X film in my language, and I'm not capable of enjoy a film in english, so I will live without positional audio along time. Also my AVR doesn't support Atmos os DTS-X, but it's capable with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD.

So my solution is to convert the best quality audio in my language if it's not supported. I do it with ffmpeg converting to EAC3 5.1 1536kbps, and adding it as default audio track. Practically there is no film with more than 5.1 channels in my language and my ear can't distinguish the new track from the original.

But it's my particular case, each one will be different.
yossSP
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

Post by yossSP »

dysprosium wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:35 am
yossSP wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:14 am
shawnc22 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:43 am

I'm skeptical. Even if it's capable of playing FEL, I suspect that it's just ignoring the EL like what the Shield is doing. I highly doubt that the Chromecast has the dual decoders needed to properly playback FEL.
Hi all, I have made the test with the new Chromecast with Google TV (CCWGTV)
Test platform:
  • TV OLED Panasonic TX-65HZ1000
  • Emby/Plex beta MediaServer on Windows 10 Pro 64 bits
  • Chromecast with Google TV (2020)
The results:
  • test DT DL FEL: playback as HDR10 (CCWGTV can't play dual track DV)
  • test SL p8 RPU: playback as HDR10 (without noise)
  • test ST DL FEL: playback as DV with noise during 5 seconds
What's interesting about this is the Chromecast with Google TV is running on a S905D3G chipset, which is very similar to the S905X2/S905X3 etc. that many Android TV boxes out there use. If this chipset can properly decode FEL in STDL mkv, it perhaps means that any of those boxes (hopefully one with lossless audio passthrough) can be similarly capable with a firmware update - perhaps even CoreELEC, now that we know it's possible on these Amlogic chipsets?
Well, not exactly, it depends of the Dolby license the manufacturer bought. Most of these TV Boxes not even buy a right license for streaming platforms like Netflix, whats is the reason they can't playback at 4K.

But I agree that this discovery give us a new world of possiblities in the near future, and above all, place us before the real possibilities of hardware capabilities of DV playback, till now a very dark ground.
yossSP
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Re: Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

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RESET_9999 wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:22 pm
daicon wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:10 pm

we do not know if the tests were done with the last generation of Chromecast?
probably not the latest generation indeed... I wish @Manix(the guy with the Atomos shogun device) could confirm but he won't respond to me anymore, he's gone (probably personal issues) ...
Hi @RESET_9999 , it's strange to me that playback of the test ST DL FEL.ts file stops after 5 seconds. Also it can only be played by Plex not Emby, wich more compatible with DV files in every profile.

¿Is it something to take into account? I supose it's caused because of peculiarities of this file, but can you provide a mkv file to test again. Tanks in advance.
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