Dolby Vision now possible through MP4 Mux.

[Vault]

So which players are capable of playing FEL remuxes from network sources (Plex/Emby/SMB), e.g. the full deal retaining the 12bit 4000nits final picture like when playing the original disc?
e.g. remuxed into a TS or MKV container so I can add a high def audio track?

From network? The oppo and that's it.

When you’re doing conversions from a UHD disc to single layer, you’re going to lose data (neglible in MEL). There is currently not a lossless way from converting from double to single layer where the info in the EL is reencoded into the BL; any info in the EL is just being discarded.

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

[shawnc22]

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

[lexyz]

But if you have a Sony Bravia TV with LLDV there is a dilemma :
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors
- Play it on Shield TV Pro with richer but inaccurate colors (red push) and without EL
- Play it on any device as HDR10 version with proper colors.

I suggest Bravia owners like myself drop DV playback for UHD BR.
Bravias doesn't aggressively tonemap HDR and usually good in tracking PQ curve. So picture is quite close to creators intend for HDR version.

DV in streaming apps is a different story.

[userr]

But if you have a Sony Bravia TV with LLDV there is a dilemma :
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors
- Play it on Shield TV Pro with richer but inaccurate colors (red push) and without EL
- Play it on any device as HDR10 version with proper colors.

I suggest Bravia owners like myself drop DV playback for UHD BR.
Bravias doesn't aggressively tonemap HDR and usually good in tracking PQ curve. So picture is quite close to creators intend for HDR version.

DV in streaming apps is a different story.

i dont understand what you mean with
- Play it on BR player or clone with artefacts and muted colors

even with bravia tv, playing a UHD with for example oppo in player-led, isnt the picture as good as for example LG (using player-led with oppo)

[lexyz]

There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)

[userr]

There is no reason to use player-led (LLDV) on LG
For Sony it is only option (except XH90)

i understand that.
what im saying is that, using player-led with an oppo for example, still makes use of dual-layer/single-layer-makemkv-files profile7, its just not "the best" as tv-led

[Vault]

The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

Thank you for the precise feedback. Appreciated.
Hoping for a better option/MKV update in the future.

And btw : wishing everyone a great new year's eve

[magnetoeric]

Hi Shawnc22,

Like MastaG I was hoping for a 1:1 experience paradise, when I read a few weeks ago that MKV + DV was live.
But I understand (thanks to you + contributors) that YTD it remains a lossy process, even using 1.15.4.

I had in mind to convert the ISOs I have : MakeMKV + playback via Shield Pro (those 2 purchases on hold for now).
But it seems that those ISOs, through Oppo or Clone, are still the way to go if we want 1:1 DV + HD audio tracks ?

Or am I getting something wrong here ? Any light appreciated.

PS : reading below Reset_9999, seems the Shield's ignoring FEL. So that wraps it up... 2020. What a nightmare

The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).

[bgalakazam]

I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).

I have been watching DV with FEL on my X700 in m2ts/ts via a tsMuxer mux from a full bluray rip for a while now.

[aboulfad]

...
The conversion process used by makemkv 1.15.3+ is in itself a lossless conversion. The issue is that no current devices can play them (FEL titles) in their full capacity. The Oppo and its clones (iso/ts remux) or an x700 (ts remux) then are your only options for 1:1 playback.

Out of curiosety, I ripped Aquaman and created an mkv with 1.15.4 (single track double layer?, MEL) and tried Aquaman on my "virgin" 203 (via USB), it came up as HDR10. Not sure if the Oppo requires a JB to play DV mkv or if that's supported at all.

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ID                                       : 1
ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration                                 : 2 h 23 min
Bit rate                                 : 54.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.276
Stream size                              : 54.9 GiB (87%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1506 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 459 cd/m2
Original source medium                   : Blu-ray

[glc650]

I'm planning to get x700. Do you know whether it can play DV with FEL in m2ts container? I have an old bdp s6700 which can play m2ts remuxes fine (although only 1080p).

It can but with a Fast Ethernet port and only 2.4 WiFI I think the X800M2 (has 5ghz WiFi) is a better option. I just got the X800M2 and my AP usually shows me connected at 300mbps which is 150+mbps in reality in my environment and after 6+ DV movies I've yet to see an issue. Also, keep in mind that the X700/800M2 uses DLNA instead of SMB/NFS.

[glc650]

Out of curiosety, I ripped Aquaman and created an mkv with 1.15.4 (single track double layer?, MEL) and tried Aquaman on my "virgin" 203 (via USB), it came up as HDR10. Not sure if the Oppo requires a JB to play DV mkv or if that's supported at all.

m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...

[aboulfad]

m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...

Thx, I'll try that next: Movie name -> BDMV folder ? too bad Oppo's media browser is so outdated.

[glc650]

m2ts or BDMV folder for DV. The Oppo will most likely never support DV in MKV since that would require a firmware update and with Oppo being out of the BR industry...

Thx, I'll try that next: Movie name -> BDMV folder ? too bad Oppo's media browser is so outdated.

movie name > AVCHD > BDMV
https://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203 ... hd-backups

[aboulfad]

movie name > AVCHD > BDMV
https://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203 ... hd-backups

Thx for the link, for USB no AVCHD was required and I needed the other folders (cert) for the movie to play in its full dvhe.07.06 glory its an ok temporary solution as my DV collection is small.